You think? You obviously have more faith in this than me. I think I will just give up on it and wait till win 10 comes out for real. I cannot even post in the forum to tell them because I cannot read my screen fonts. It would seem that this is a common problem with this update but I'm wondering (not asking) how long I will have to wait before I reinsert the hard drive with Win 10 on it. At the moment it is unusable so there is no point in trying to use it.