Sharing is Caring.....Right?

Thorax_the_Impaler

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Hello everyone!

I'd just like to discuss the legality and legitimacy of this idea a former boss of mine had which he actually acted on while I was working for him. Basically, he had very fast internet; based moreso on his location than anything else, as far as he told me. His plan as I recall was, to beam the internet connection into a neighboring valley where a select few people could access it for a modest fee. From constructing the antennas to checking the connections, I remember it all slowly coming together until bam, it worked. Lately I've been researching this idea and I've come to a conclusion: most ISP's are not happy if you do this. Hell, they probably would be upset if your neighbor used your WIFI from their house. So like I said, legality and legitimacy here. According to what I read, internet speeds through this type of setup would not be very fast. Streaming would not work under most conditions, unless special equipment was purchased, and even then only with special arrangments/setups. Looking into the fine print of ISP's such as Comcast (directly stated in one article), I've learned that one cannot share their internet connection in such a fashion. One would think they shouldn't tell you how to use the internet you purchase from them; but that aside, money dictates business, and loss of money equals bad in their mind. Personally, I can sort of understand the issue they have with beaming your connection to multiple people for personal profit or even for free; because in both cases, people are getting something they aren't technically paying for. However, I have two examples in which I think this should be allowed:
Ex. 1- Say you own two residences in the same neighborhood, but they are blocks apart. You probably don't want to pay for two ISP's, so you decide to share the connection between the residences. You're the only one really paying in the end, and you own both of the residences where the internet resides, so even if someone else is using it, it's no different than giving your wifi password to your friend that comes over. Either way, you're paying for it, and you're the only one really benefiting from it.
Ex. 2- Say your friend and you live on the same block, but with houses in between the two of you. You want to go dutch on paying for an internet service you can share. In that situation, each person is paying half the cost (hypothetically), and therefore they each receive half of the connection. No one is making profit and no one is gaining without paying.
Makes sense right? So why do ISP's have an issue with this sharing concept in general? My answer is, it's all about money to them; and that's what we call a "duh" answer. As for the legitimacy of this, I don't see how decent speeds could be achieved in most cases due to distance and how most of this needs to be set up; at least from what I can tell. Nonetheless, I personally think this sharing concept, if used within reason, is a great idea and a fun project for people like me who keep a tech bucket list. lol What are your thoughts or opinions on this notion?
 
one big problem is.... that the person your "sharing" your internet with is a pervert and goes to child porn sites.
they'll be looking to arrest you from following your IP right to your door

Or possibly the person is a racists and starts making public slurs against the POTUS
They are using your connection so it will show up coming from you
 
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You are leasing the connection and their terms of service indicate that it is for your household only. The same idea applies for Netflix. If you made a company and one person paid 10 bucks a month for your service and let all their friends use it wouldn't you be ****ed? Not only that, but depending on city and state legislation he may need a permit to operate long range wireless communications on top of needing a special connection plan from the ISP IF they would allow such a thing. They don't call it personal/home connection for a reason.

The same applies for internet cafe's and coffee shops. Verizon specifically indicated in their ToS that they cannot offer free wifi as it is against ToS. I had the same idea to offer guest wireless for 5 bucks and just have others practically pay for my own 50Mb connection. TWC does not allow this.

Now here is where it gets sketchy. Would they ever know? A smaller company like TWC probably wouldn't know unless they just started losing heavy business in this area. I suppose it would be the same for you old boss or whatever.

The biggest issue is the long distance permits needed to operate high powered wireless equipment.
 
You are leasing the connection and their terms of service indicate that it is for your household only. The same idea applies for Netflix. If you made a company and one person paid 10 bucks a month for your service and let all their friends use it wouldn't you be ****ed? Not only that, but depending on city and state legislation he may need a permit to operate long range wireless communications on top of needing a special connection plan from the ISP IF they would allow such a thing. They don't call it personal/home connection for a reason.

The same applies for internet cafe's and coffee shops. Verizon specifically indicated in their ToS that they cannot offer free wifi as it is against ToS. I had the same idea to offer guest wireless for 5 bucks and just have others practically pay for my own 50Mb connection. TWC does not allow this.

Now here is where it gets sketchy. Would they ever know? A smaller company like TWC probably wouldn't know unless they just started losing heavy business in this area. I suppose it would be the same for you old boss or whatever.

The biggest issue is the long distance permits needed to operate high powered wireless equipment.

The man in question (my former boss) only wished to do this project as a way of making money off of a valley where Internet in general was a WOW factor. To my knowledge he had all the permits or whatever required to operate the machinery; I remember him telling me that. And I don't think the company would ever know without investigation because if you're sharing it with one person, usage levels would not be huge. At least not big enough for someone passing by to be like "Whoa! Wait a minute, something is wrong here!" In addition to this, the rebellious ****-the-system part of my brain is telling me that most decent providers charge up the ass for Internet, and most ISP's like Comcast for example screw you in the long run; so I don't think anything like this is exactly unjust (Corporations are [bad] people too!). On the flip side though, this type of project even for just sharing with one person would cost someone a shiny penny in hardware and parts......one article I read linked the basic setup requirements which would run someone around $600. I personally would rather use that kind of money on a build.
 
Well if he had the permits for the wireless equipment and had the OK from the ISP then I don't see the problem with it.

Although, I forgot to ask. What was the point of asking about that stuff?
Every ISP frowns upon sharing your connection. Just don't get caught.
 
Gonna say this from experience while working for a company that did this, and I was one of the administrators that handled the system. It is legal, provided the contract with the ISP the company uses allows it. Most people here will only ever go through a consumer end tier ISP, which is tier 3 or sometimes 4, it's been awhile since I checked who is what, but dial up would be considered tier four, but back bone connections between cities are tier one....

Anyways, provided the company gets onto a tier two connection (essentially the ones that lease to most any ISP you ever hear of that is regional) or a few tier three connections they can legally get away with it.

The company I worked for was originally based in a small town, they got a special contract through Time Warner with 20 "bonded" cable connections and had around 3Gbit of total throughput. Now, here is the issue that was encountered. The local Time Warner office wasn't allowed to sell us such a contract as the contract with the ISP that served that office didn't allow them to lease more than one feed per customer. We also noticed after a few months of most people in town on Time Warner had issues, they noticed huge reductions in speed, and, well, needless to say. It was a HUGE mess. Eventually the company re-located to a more remote area where fiber was available and right under the building that they purchased.

In the end, lesson learned. Make sure the ISP you are going to allows it, but make sure the contract your ISP has with the next tier up allows that contract it self. It isn't a pretty sight to see when a company that could put you under water calls your office with you being a puny little up-start company wondering why you are sucking down everything that should supply a whole town.

Mind you, this was a good long while back when DSL was scarce in town... Sad to say, it has taken forever for speeds out here to get upto acceptable offerings compared to what is 20 miles down the road.
 
Well if he had the permits for the wireless equipment and had the OK from the ISP then I don't see the problem with it.

Although, I forgot to ask. What was the point of asking about that stuff?
Every ISP frowns upon sharing your connection. Just don't get caught.

He had the permits.......permission from the ISP is a different story. lol

As for the question; there are three reasons: 1. I thoroughly enjoy conversation about tech-related stuff, 2. I wanted to bounce this idea off of a more-knowledgeable community of techies and see if I could learn more about the legitimacy/legality of the idea, and finally, 3. I was hoping someone would bring up a loophole in which it was legal, (which did happen). I am a sponge when it comes tech-related information. lol
 
The only way to make it technically legal is have the mindset that it's legal until you're caught. Generally you wont. Not gonna lie, over half the 10 years I've been on the internet I've been "borrowing" a connection. Do they think something is up with their internet? Probably. Do they know it's somebody else? Highly doubt it. Most all people are extremely ignorant when it comes to that stuff.

When it comes to hardcore "sharing" like that, I would make sure I'm all legal'd up with the city and all that and say F the ISP. I would rather get a slap to the wrist and a strongly worded email from the ISP rather than get warned and fined by the city for illegal use of high powered wifi equipment. That's just me though.
 
The only way to make it technically legal is have the mindset that it's legal until you're caught. Generally you wont. Not gonna lie, over half the 10 years I've been on the internet I've been "borrowing" a connection. Do they think something is up with their internet? Probably. Do they know it's somebody else? Highly doubt it. Most all people are extremely ignorant when it comes to that stuff.

When it comes to hardcore "sharing" like that, I would make sure I'm all legal'd up with the city and all that and say F the ISP. I would rather get a slap to the wrist and a strongly worded email from the ISP rather than get warned and fined by the city for illegal use of high powered wifi equipment. That's just me though.

Some people are incredibly ignorant of that stuff. I used to have neighbors that had an unlocked wifi network, and I borrowed a passing connection from them time to time until they cussed me out for parking in front of my own house; for which I disabled their router completely. And the sad thing is, they didn't simply reset it, no, they went out and bought another one. Yeah, most people don't think twice about that kind of thing.

Strongly worded e-mail with the red bold text.....oh (insert deity's name here) no, anything but that. lol
 
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