Politics thread (continuing from h/w)
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I think this thread should be closed, but I dont have the power in this section.
I admit I don't agree with Bush's ways, but I've never seen a president with as much hatred spewed against him as this one. I think we should respect the President, even if we don't agree with his policies. That doesn't mean we have to vote for him or support him in his campaigne, but to say Hitler was a better leader, c'mon! And I think if it would have been anybody but John Kerry running this last election, Bush would have been out.
As for all you American children 'hating America', like Nubius said, go live in Cuba or China, or better yet, Afghanistan. I love America and think its a wonderful country. Bush is NOT America. You can dislike Bush without 'hating America'.
I admit I don't agree with Bush's ways, but I've never seen a president with as much hatred spewed against him as this one. I think we should respect the President, even if we don't agree with his policies. That doesn't mean we have to vote for him or support him in his campaigne, but to say Hitler was a better leader, c'mon! And I think if it would have been anybody but John Kerry running this last election, Bush would have been out.
As for all you American children 'hating America', like Nubius said, go live in Cuba or China, or better yet, Afghanistan. I love America and think its a wonderful country. Bush is NOT America. You can dislike Bush without 'hating America'.
I am with you Beedubya, I support this country very strongly. I respect him as out leader but hate him for the decisions he makes. If you think it is bad here, go to another country, or matter of fact parts of this country. Hes right, dont hate the whole country for one person, that is just rediculos. Hitler a better leader? That is crazy, Hitler led by force and punishment along with empty promises.
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What makes me mad is that if I dont stand up for the pledge, I am not patrotic and an atheist. That is bogus crap, I stand for it I just dont put my hand on my chest or say it because I dont believe that "one nation under god" should be in there. Religon and goverment are to be kept seperate, and it seems the trend latly to go with your "religous" background, and most are Roman Cathloic. Now I have nothing against Cathloics, I am lutheran myself but dont put it in goverment.
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I think the hatred spewed towards him is rather well-deserved. I am a liberal, and darn proud of it too. That being said, I dont hate Bush, I dont hate conservatives. Your political opinion is just that, AN OPINION. Ya, Bush cut educational grants, as did my governor, the Terminator.
Here is a few reasons I dont like Bush. I cut and paste this mock resume from a blogger named Kelley Kramer. Most of them are pretty on point, however theres a few that are exaggerated:
George W. Bush Resume
Past work experience:
Ran for congress and lost.
Produced a Hollywood slasher B movie.
Bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas, company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.
Bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using tax-payer money. Biggest move: Traded Sammy Sosa to the Chicago White Sox.
With fathers help (and his name) was elected Governor of Texas.
Accomplishments:
Changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and made Texas the most polluted state in the Union. Replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog ridden city in America.
Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money. Set record for most executions by any Governor in American history.
Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with the help of my fathers appointments to the Supreme Court.
Accomplishments as president:
Attacked and took over two countries.
Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.
Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.
After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.
Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history.
In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.
Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history.
Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.
Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.
Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.
Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in US history.
Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. (http://www.hyperreal.org/~dana/marches/)
Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history.
Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleeza Rice has an Chevron oil tanker named after her).
First president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt.
Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.
First president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation.
Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.
First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.
First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.
Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.
Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
Withdrew from the World Court of Law.
Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).
All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.
My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).
Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.
First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
First US president to establish a secret shadow government.
Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).
With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.
Fist US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.
Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.
Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capitol building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.
In the 18 months following the 911 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.
Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.
In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.
Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
Records and References:
At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).
AWOL from National Guard and Deserted the military during a time of war.
Refuse to take drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.
All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my fathers library, sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.
All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.
All minutes of meetings for any public corporation I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.
Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public review.
For personal references please speak to my daddy or uncle James Baker (They can be reached at their offices of the Carlyle Group for war-profiteering.)
Here is a few reasons I dont like Bush. I cut and paste this mock resume from a blogger named Kelley Kramer. Most of them are pretty on point, however theres a few that are exaggerated:
George W. Bush Resume
Past work experience:
Ran for congress and lost.
Produced a Hollywood slasher B movie.
Bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas, company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.
Bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using tax-payer money. Biggest move: Traded Sammy Sosa to the Chicago White Sox.
With fathers help (and his name) was elected Governor of Texas.
Accomplishments:
Changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and made Texas the most polluted state in the Union. Replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog ridden city in America.
Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money. Set record for most executions by any Governor in American history.
Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with the help of my fathers appointments to the Supreme Court.
Accomplishments as president:
Attacked and took over two countries.
Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.
Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.
After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.
Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history.
In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.
Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history.
Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.
Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.
Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.
Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in US history.
Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. (http://www.hyperreal.org/~dana/marches/)
Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history.
Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleeza Rice has an Chevron oil tanker named after her).
First president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union simultaneously go bankrupt.
Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.
First president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation.
Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.
First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.
First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.
Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.
Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
Withdrew from the World Court of Law.
Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).
All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.
My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).
Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.
First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
First US president to establish a secret shadow government.
Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).
With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.
Fist US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.
Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.
Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capitol building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.
In the 18 months following the 911 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.
Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.
In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.
Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
Records and References:
At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).
AWOL from National Guard and Deserted the military during a time of war.
Refuse to take drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.
All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my fathers library, sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.
All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.
All minutes of meetings for any public corporation I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.
Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public review.
For personal references please speak to my daddy or uncle James Baker (They can be reached at their offices of the Carlyle Group for war-profiteering.)
Nubius
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[SNIPPED]......that's the dumbest crap I've ever heard....if you hate it so much, you come up with your own damn resources and leave....theres plenty of people from mexico or cuba that don't have money and resources and manage to sneak in here, it's a whole hell of a lot easier to get out of this country especially for people who don't appreciate it.
That's gotta be the most assanine shit I've ever heard "give me the money to leave" yeah freakin right, give me a break. You hate it so much yet you won't make the slightest effort on your own to leave....... moron
beedubaya said:
Why Beedubaya? I think it's a good outlet for interesting viewpoints. Granted, some people are saying bad things about America without good reason and swearing for no apparent reason. Those threads can be pulled out, but close the whole thread? Controversial topics should not be buried just b/c some people don't like what they hear.. At least IMO.
beedubaya said:
Respecting the man is difficult to do man. So many of his policies are biased. And so many people have been hurt as a result. Just read Jeffrock's and Eric's posts. And yeah, as MrBebop has said, Bush has spent a lot of money to first "make sure there was no weapons of mass destruction" and now there aren't any "to ensure democracy for the people of Iraq".. Right.. Perhaps, making up his mind on what the reason was should be his first task.
Also other than being shit scared about a nuclear attack, add the reasons of destabilizing the middle east, getting some control over a huge oil producing country, and *cough* dealing with the fellow "who tried to kill his daddy" (Bush quote)..
Right.. The idea of his spending (and continuing to spend) billions and billions of dollars to "ensure" democracy is a load of crap. What about the poor and unfortunate ppl in the US itself? And what was his initial pledge to the Tsunami victims again? (24 million I think - before other countries made them look bad and criticized them).
What Bush is a scared little boy with too much power under his fingers. He approached this whole international thing completely wrong. Alienated everyone except for a fellow called Tony (we all know what's happening to him now, don't we?
) and has put the burden on the American ppl. A smart president would not have been so hasty and would've waited for other leaders. beedubaya said:
I don't think anyone said in this thread that he was like Hitler man. Hitler invaded countries and killed innocent ppl just for the heck of it (or his twisted reasons). Bush is simply installing a (puppet) government that he will have certain powers over in the most unpredictable region in the world and is only killing innocent ppl through the process of achieving this end task - and not for fun. So Bush is obviously better.
beedubaya said:
Agreed to a certain extent. But, one should still be able to criticize his country without people saying "get out you traitor". America is not responsible for Bush's problems. Bush's problems are Bush's problems. But America, much like Canada, much like Iraq, and much like South Asia, has other problems. None of these countries are "angels".. There is a lot of discrimination going on and other problems. This is caused by the "people".. And that is *very* american (or canadian or indian or iraqian, whatever). For example, if a kid has parents who are discriminated at work, and if the kid is discriminated at school, I think he or she should be able to say "I hate this country".
It's just better to see "how", as a country, these problems can be eliminated instead of saying they shud get out.
But if u say "I hate my country (America)" without good reason, then I completely agree with you.
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