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I am looking to build a new PC. This is my first time, but I need a new computer. This cheap all in one is not cutting it for me. Here are the specs:

Case: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811144268

Power Supply: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139198

Motherboard: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157789

Processor: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117827

Memory: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232175

Storage: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA12K5901346

Network Card: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833106036

Optical Drive: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA85V56W8164

I don't do a lot of intensive things. Mainly play a few older games, get on the internet, sometimes burn CD's/DVD's, that sort of thing.

Budget is $1,000 and I nailed it, but I want to know what you guys think. Is there anything incompatible or recommendations? I hate slow computers, so I'm hoping this will solve my problems for the next 3-5 years (longer would be nice but not hopeful).

Thank you in advance.
 
For $10. more you can get a much better and more powerful power supply
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151094

For $25. less you can get the Samsung 960 at same size
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147593

Why do you need an extra network card?

Use the NVMe drive for your operating system and get a 500gb or a 1tb platter drive for storage
(or get a 500gb NVMe drive)

This optical drive is $12. with promo code EMCPERS32
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1W8-006A-00003

No Graphics card?

On a personal note... Intel is having issues with security on thier current cpu's, You should consider going with an AMD set up
Intel Inside.... All your data outside
 
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For $10. more you can get a much better and more powerful power supply
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151094

For $25. less you can get the Samsung 960 at same size
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147593

Why do you need an extra network card?

Use the NVMe drive for your operating system and get a 500gb or a 1tb platter drive for storage
(or get a 500gb NVMe drive)

This optical drive is $12. with promo code EMCPERS32
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1W8-006A-00003

No Graphics card?

On a personal note... Intel is having issues with security on thier current cpu's, You should consider going with an AMD set up
Intel Inside.... All your data outside
Meltdown has been irrelevant since the beginning of the month.

OP hope you don't plan on playing any real games since there's no GPU.
 
For $10. more you can get a much better and more powerful power supply
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151094

For $25. less you can get the Samsung 960 at same size
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147593

Why do you need an extra network card?

Use the NVMe drive for your operating system and get a 500gb or a 1tb platter drive for storage
(or get a 500gb NVMe drive)

This optical drive is $12. with promo code EMCPERS32
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=1W8-006A-00003

No Graphics card?

On a personal note... Intel is having issues with security on thier current cpu's, You should consider going with an AMD set up
Intel Inside.... All your data outside

I picked out all those parts because they have high user ratings on newegg. I read that you don't really want a lot more power than what you need for your set up. Maybe they were wrong?

I threw in the network card because I figured that would help ensure a faster, more fluid internet experience than the motherboard one.

As far as the hard drive goes, I don't store anything on here. I have 789 GB free of 930 on this hard drive, and I need to actually clean up some things on here, so that number will definitely be above 800. If I need more storage later, I can always pick up a 500 GB SSD when I have more money.

And is the processor thing really a problem? The threadripper series compares well with the 8700K but they are quite a bit more expensive.

Are there anymore problems with this set up aside from these recommendations?
 
I picked out all those parts because they have high user ratings on newegg. I read that you don't really want a lot more power than what you need for your set up. Maybe they were wrong?

I threw in the network card because I figured that would help ensure a faster, more fluid internet experience than the motherboard one.

As far as the hard drive goes, I don't store anything on here. I have 789 GB free of 930 on this hard drive, and I need to actually clean up some things on here, so that number will definitely be above 800. If I need more storage later, I can always pick up a 500 GB SSD when I have more money.

And is the processor thing really a problem? The threadripper series compares well with the 8700K but they are quite a bit more expensive.

Are there anymore problems with this set up aside from these recommendations?
High user ratings don't necessarily mean good product. Luckily for you the parts you chose were solid but it seems really overkill unless you plan to add a good dedicated GPU later for some real gaming.

He's referring to Meltdown and Spectre. Both overly exaggerated. Meltdown was patched out on the 4th of this month and Spectre affects all processors so can't really get away from it. There still aren't even any actual exploits out in the world so nothing to worry about really.

You don't need another NIC, the one on the motherboard is fine.

No, they aren't that intensive. Some are from Steam that aren't that intensive, and then World of Warcraft, which I'm playing on this already just fine.
And what's your current system? Are you sure the AIO is running a slower IGP?
 
Meltdown has been irrelevant since the beginning of the month.
Not!
An email from Linus Torvalds:
>> Is Intel really planning on making this **** architectural? Has
>> anybody talked to them and told them they are f*cking insane?
Linux-Kernel Archive: Re: [RFC 09/10] x86/enter: Create macros to restrict/unrestrict Indirect Branch Speculation

Dell back tracks on the update because or reboot bug:
http://www.dell.com/support/article/us/en/19/sln308588/microprocessor-side-channel-vulnerabilities-cve-2017-5715-cve-2017-5753-cve-2017-5754-impact-on-dell-emc-products-dell-enterprise-servers-storage-and-networking-?lang=en
And near as I can tell and from what I have seen on line, Intel has no intentions of fixing any of the current cpu's they are still marketing

It's a gigantic huge fricken mess and they do not have a good fix as of yet

Not only for security but for cost also... today, an AMD would be a better choice
 
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Not!

An email from Linus Torvalds:


Dell back tracks on the update because or reboot bug:
Microprocessor Side-Channel Vulnerabilities (CVE-2017-5715, CVE-2017-5753, CVE-2017-5754): Impact on Dell EMC products (Dell Enterprise Servers, Storage and Networking) | Dell US
And near as I can tell and from what I have seen on line, Intel has no intentions of fixing any of the current cpu's they are still marketing

It's a gigantic huge fricken mess and they do not have a good fix as of yet

Not only for security but for cost also... today, an AMD would be a better choice
And as my last post stated, there isn't an exploit for it. These "problems" have been around for over a decade and only recently (as in 8 months ago) where they brought up. The KB that people are now ignoring that was released on the 4th of the month effectively takes care of Meltdown for consumers. HP and Dell have released AMT firmware patches (had an email for my work device this morning actually) and most corporations are actually ignoring any and all of these fixes because it's just a PR kneejerk from Intel. Most people have finally got it through their head that if there were going to be speculative exploit hacks they would have been used already. The only reason this massive media fear mongering is going on is because people are allowing it to make them paranoid. Nobody wants to sit down and actually think about who and what these exploits would even be targeting. Let's see here, the Java script exploit via browser was patched out on the big 5 already, and the major handsets have received OTA updates as well. This leaves a speculative attack via pooled memory well gee golly. How many people are running multi-million dollar virtual environments at their house or on their home PC? Can't think of any? Exactly. The attack specs from white hatters here at my lowly government facility have managed a 503Kb (yes kilobit) per second rate run in parallel. That's NOT a lot of data, so you need to have access to a massive pool which effectively leaves out the little guy for poised attack. We're talking terrabytes of RAM with 100s of VMs utilizing shared memory pools.

Considering the fact that my entire proprietary F-35 ALIS environment is run on Java with lots of virtual sub-clusters and my superiors, cyber security, network security, and DCMA specialists aren't worried then I won't be either. If a multi-trillion dollar defense project isn't worth the hassle then neither would John Doe at home on Facebook.

Now when we talk about Spectre, literally anything and everything with speculative processing is affected. Your phone, tablets, laptops, IoT devices, modems, routers, corporate switches, game consoles, game handhelds, hell even my vape mod that has an ARM processor is vulnerable. Where's the mass panic? Nobody tossing their stuff in a fire? Yea, then I'd say choosing the 8700k over a 1600x won't be an issue if that's what he wants. Not to mention, if he got a Ryzen processor he'd need a dedicated GPU. Doesn't look like he's interested in one, even if something like a 1050 would be a smart idea.

I would even be inclined to ask, where was all the panic during the USB/IME mass exploit? That was actually being used. Did you unplug your modem in 2001 while Blaster was a big deal? No? Then Spectre/Meltdown can be ignored the same way everybody ignored the other problems. Sometimes I wish it was 2009 all over again when social media didn't exist the way it does now. This stuff would fly over faster than Y2k and people ripping off the stickers from their beige Gateway cases.

And don't get me wrong, don't take this as an attack on trying to warn the guy. It's just so overbearing and for nothing. In 6 months time this will be as dead as net neutrality and there will be a new thing everybody is going nuts about. Intel isn't changing anything, AMD isn't changing anything, and neither is ARM. Buying product A over product B for something as insignificant as this is pretty dumb IMO and why I even went vocal about it because both chips are susceptible to something whether it be Meltdown, Spectre, or both. So in the end, it's down to whatever the guy wants and IMO a 5 year future path the 8700k is a better buy.
 
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The cat is out of the bag, Google found this flaw and advised Intel 6 months before they made this flaw public. And yes it is a flaw that can be exploited and it will be exploited now that it is a known flaw. Anytime someone can exploit a flaw in some way for profit, it'll be done eventually.
Being the owner of a couple skylake cpu's, I'm not happy about that.
My next builds are going to be Ryzen's
The Intel IME exploit was just patched last December, but the flaw is still out their for those that are not patched yet. Has anybody used this flaw in IME? no not YET but it could be used in the near future (a whole nuther issue with Intel)
I do not want Intel's crap nor am I going to recommend anybody else trust Intel at this point in time

It was just last summer that a different exploit was released into the wild but M$ did patch it just before it came out.


And Net neutrality ain't dead yet either. Several states are attempting to sue the FCC for states rights to enforce net neutrality within their own states.

My apologies for turning this thread into something that draws away from the OP question
 
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The cat is out of the bag, Google found this flaw and advised Intel 6 months before they made this flaw public. And yes it is a flaw that can be exploited and it will be exploited now that it is a known flaw. Anytime someone can exploit a flaw in some way for profit, it'll be done eventually.
Being the owner of a couple skylake cpu's, I'm not happy about that.
My next builds are going to be Ryzen's
The Intel IME exploit was just patched last December, but the flaw is still out their for those that are not patched yet. Has anybody used this flaw in IME? no not YET but it could be used in the near future (a whole nuther issue with Intel)
I do not want Intel's crap nor am I going to recommend anybody else trust Intel at this point in time

It was just last summer that a different exploit was released into the wild but M$ did patch it just before it came out.


And Net neutrality ain't dead yet either. Several states are attempting to sue the FCC for states rights to enforce net neutrality within their own states.

My apologies for turning this thread into something that draws away from the OP question
Here's the flaw in your logic, see what I did there? :p

Both the USB/IME and speculative hardware flaws were around way before they were found, and before Project Zero made them public. Nobody utilized them because they weren't understood nor knew about. It took somebody the better part of two decades to even find the speculative flaws. Some seriously talented people found them, it takes even more talented people without pay to exploit them. That's the key point and the flaw in all the paranoia. Even more talented people without pay to exploit. First they need to fully understand the issue, work around the exploits that were already easily patched (IE the java scripting exploit in the browsers), then exploit in a profitable manner. Now, let's backtrack to what I said earlier to put a spotlight on where I'm going here.

The attack specs from white hatters here at my lowly government facility have managed a 503Kb (yes kilobit) per second rate run in parallel. That's NOT a lot of data, so you need to have access to a massive pool which effectively leaves out the little guy for poised attack. We're talking terabytes of RAM with 100s of VMs utilizing shared memory pools.

Essentially this boils down to they need to first, hack into the machinery they want to attack, then release their exploit. When the average machine has 16GB of RAM (based on statistics from machines being sold from 2015 onward to the public prebuilt/laptop/etc) it takes 25 days for a Meltdown attack to run through speculative space (AKA reading shared memory between programs breaching speculative space). Now, what black hatter is going to spend 25 days to go through one machine? Now, when we're talking a multi-million dollar virtual cluster aka, Microsoft, Amazon, or Google with terabytes worth of pooled memory, and 100s of VMs per cluster. They can run the theoretical hack in parallel to quickly scan each cluster. They have a more probable chance of finding something good on services that host data for other big companies. This all of course assuming these unpaid people are clever enough to write such a hack, then proceed with said hack which requires other talents. This isn't like grandma downloading a sketch .exe off a chain email then all her tax documents are stuck in ransomware. They need hacking knowledge (since Meltdown and Spectre variant 1 are remote) and sufficient knowledge on the flaws that industry giants still don't fully understand.

Now, let's move on.

Being the owner of a couple skylake cpu's, I'm not happy about that.
My next builds are going to be Ryzen's
And by the time somebody actually can figure out the above A) they won't bother with a singular rando, and B) Skylake processors will be so outdated you'll probably be on your 3rd or 4th upgrade from there. Now here's the real kicker, you're so against having an Intel now but you still have yet to comment on the fact that AMD is also susceptible to Spectre. Unless you're going to sidegrade to a Ryzen Pro chip or EPYC server chip you won't have that precious SME everybody is talking about. AKA, you're still just as vulnerable as when you had an Intel chip in your machine. Considering the fact that variant 2/3 requires physical access for both architectures, it makes it sound pretty dumb to be so paranoid about it huh. Which is exactly why I posted the above posts, because this whole situation was blown out of proportion by tech media and social media posters that have literally 0 clue what they're talking about.

It was just last summer that a different exploit was released into the wild but M$ did patch it just before it came out.
Right, and Meltdown is also patched making the Intel/AMD chips on level ground with variant 2 and 3. Either way, the USB/IME flaw wasn't exploited, neither will this be. That's the point. If tech bloggers weren't so gung ho at taking pop shots at Intel while posting from their Surface Pros that have i5s in them nobody would be the wiser, and this would go unknown like USB/IME did.

And Net neutrality ain't dead yet either. Several states are attempting to sue the FCC for states rights to enforce net neutrality within their own states.
We had net neutrality for a whopping 2 years if that and nothing came of it. Title 2 allowed only a handful of companies to roll in certain remote areas around the US and caused ATT/TWC to get scared slightly, but other than that literally nothing has changed. We still had caps, slow over priced packages, and data throttling before and during the short lived TItle 2 classification. Here again, another thing blown way out of proportion. Is Title 2 being revoked bad? Sure, I hate it, but it's not the end of the world. We will all continue to browse the internet the same way we did pre-2015.

The OPs question is pretty much answered. Without further info nothing can really be said about OPs build.
 
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