bah, another one of those "I seen it but dont know the name or location" so once again I cant say I believe that. As far as I'm aware of NF4 was specifically PCI-E, the NF3 was at first socket 754 with the 250gb, but now it refers to a socket 939 board with AGP, which DFI will hopefully be releasing late next month, that's the one I'll be getting