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I don't think so. You posted things that were wrong, and I proved to you they were wrong.You use unsubstantiated evidence more than I.
Such as q6600 is $100 cheaper (which it isn't) or Q6600 is faster (which, in games, 9950 is)
which is a more minor point and not even what the debate is about.You always say things like "I think phenom wasn't meant for 65nm"
funny that you only named one thing, and it was a very minor one.or "I have seen reports of insert unrealistic claim here" Most of your argument is based on opinion.
Which showed that the 9950 was faster in games than Q6600At least I have some benchmarks.
Then I showed that it's also cheaper
and then gave suggestions for a motherboard to go with it, and simply pointed out that it has an SB750 southbridge and a good IGP (which wasn't even the main point), which along with the CPU is at a cheap price
Then you started arguing that it's bad to use an IGP, and pointed out that I don't like Intel, which was and is entirely besides the point.
Who doesn't? People who buy laptops?They don't buy phenom systems. But its a fair reflection of the QC in general.
Phenom's are not laptop chips.
Besides, it's still av ery small scale piece of anecdotal evidence:
For all I know, they could have all been using 8600M's or 8400M's (which are not from ATI, and which do have high failure rates right now)they do have some gateway laptops with Turions and a few of them are out of action
That's begging the question.That is a poor reason. By purchasing inferior products
Actually, I'm doing exactly the opposite. I'm buying from the unpopular company.By rejecting the competition in your mind you are curbing capitalism.
Says who? what if the only reason they can't compete is not because they had bad products, but because their competition threatens/bribes OEM's not to sell their products, among other things, thus resulting in lost revenue which they can't use for R&D into future products - which your competition capitalises on.Its economic survival of the fittest. If a company can't compete then they don't deserve
Yeah, sure, that company really deserves to die. And we the consumers deserve to have to pay more for mediocre products and slower advances.
So, basically, we need to recommend everybody gets 3 x GTX 280's in SLI, and 4 x quad core CPU's @ 5.5GHZ using LN2, and 32GB RAM. Got it.Only if you think that we aren't supposed to recommend the best to the forum goers.
*note Begging the question is a logical fallacy in which the person makes an assumption that has not been established. eg. "Have you stopped beating your wife?"
I was actually pointing out that what I was recommending is high-end
You're the one who said that it's not high-end, based on your arbitrary definition of high-end.You know I thought about grabbing the definition of high performance but I realized its useless. You are arguing semantics with me because you know you cant argue facts.
And normally I'd agree.It is a generally accepted notion in the enthusiast community that IGPs are not high performance.
But the 790GX is the best of the IGP's, and can play Crysis on more than low settings at playable framerates.
And it comes free with the board.
But the fact that you're arguing against the 790GX IGP is still, and always has been, a red herring. I wasn't even suggesting he use the IGP of the board over a dedicated card.
The whole debate wasn't even about whether IGP's are better than dedicated cards. It was about what motherboard and CPU he should get.By questioning my arbitrary definition of high performance you completely dodge the issue of IGP's having lower performance than dedicated cards
And I recommended him a 9950 and 790GX board, which just happens to have the best IGP on the market.
Right, because clearly pointing out the subjectivity of a particular term is the same as saying that power users are stupid people that you shouldn't listen to.and call into question the competence of power users the world around.
Actually, most people are using IGP's. Just not usually gamers.If IGPs were so good don't you think every one would be using them?
But the ones that do, are probably using the 780G or 790GX.
But again, that isn't even what the debate is about; it's still a red herring to point out that IGP's have lower performance in general than dedicated cards when the whole topic is actually centered around what motherboard and CPU he should buy.
One of which, in this case, comes free with a motherboard that also has 2 x PCI-E 16X slots which you can also use for dedicated cards.It IS a fair comparison between IGPs and Video cards because they are both GPUs and fulfill the same task.
From what I've seen, they actually wouldn't.Also, haven't you taken into consideration that if AMD were in the position Intel is in that they would exactly the same?
I never said they were perfect. I just said they're not Intel.They aren't some prefect little under dog company.