RAM with TCCD's

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Not just TCCD's, but TCCC and TCC5, and more:

A-Data
PC2700 (cl2,5) --chip--> could be Winbond AH-6 or BH-6
PC3200 --chip--> Winbond CH-5, Samsung TCCC
PC3200 --chip--> Special Edition Winbond BH-5
PC3700 (non Vitesta, no HS) --chip--> should Samsung TCC5
PC4000 (3-4-4-8) --chip--> Hynix D43, D5, Samsung TCCC
PC4000 Vitesta DDR500 (3-4-4-8) --chip--> Hynix D43, D5 or Samsung TCCD (few)
PC4500 Vitesta DDR566 --chip--> Samsung TCCD - Modified JEDEC PCB or Hynix B (few)
PC4800 Vitesta DDR600 --chip--> Samsung TCCD - Modified JEDEC PCB or Hynix B

Apacer
PC2700 --chip--> could be Winbond AH-6
PC4000 --chip--> Samsung TCCD

Buffalo
PC3200 --chip--> may or may not contain Micron 46V32M8 -5B C, 46V32M8 - 5B G look at the chips
PC3700 --chip--> may or may not contain Winbond BH-5, CH-5, Micron 46V32M8 -5B C look at the chips
FireStix PC4000 --chip--> Hynix B
FireStix PC3200 CL2 (2-2-2-4) --chip--> Samsung TCCD ~ Brainpower PCB


Centon
Advanced DDR --chip--> Samsung TCCD
New Advanced DDR533 (3-4-4-8) --chip--> Hynix D5
New Advanced DDR400 (2-2-2-5) --chip--> Samsung TCCD ~ Brainpower PCB

Corsair
XMS-PC2700C2 Rev1.1 (2-3-3-6-1T) --chip--> maybe Winbond BH-6/Samsung TCB3
XMS-PC2700C2 Rev1.2 (2-3-3-6-1T) --chip--> Winbond CH-6
XMS-PC2700C2 Rev1.3 (2-3-3-6-1T) --chip--> Mosel Vitelic (6ns?)
XMS-PC2700C2 Rev2.1 (2-3-3-6-1T) --chip--> Micron (6ns rev B)/Samsung TCB3
XMS-PC2700LL Rev1.1 (2-2-2-6-1T) --chip--> Winbond BH-6
XMS-PC2700LL Rev1.2 (2-2-2-6-1T) --chip--> Winbond CH-6
XMS-PC3000C2 Rev1.1 (2-3-3-6-1T) --chip--> Samsung TCB3/Micron (6ns rev B) and few Winbond BH-6
XMS-PC3000C2 Rev2.1 (2-3-3-6-1T) --chip--> should Winbond BH-6
XMS-PC3200C2 Rev1.0 (2-3-3-6-1T) --chip--> Winbond CH-5
XMS-PC3200C2 Rev1.1/2.1 (2-3-3-6-1T) --chip--> Winbond BH-6
XMS-PC3200C2 Rev1.2/2.2 (2-3-3-6-1T) --chip--> Winbond CH-6
XMS-PC3200C2 Rev3.1 (2-3-3-6-1T) --chip--> Infineon B-5
XMS-PC3200C2 Rev4.1 (2-3-3-6-1T) --chip--> Samsung TCCD
XMS-PC3200C2 Rev4.2 (2-3-3-6-1T) --chip--> Samsung TCCD & TCC5
XMS-PC3200C2 Rev5.1/6.1 (2-3-3-6-1T) --chip--> Mosel Vitelic 5ns
XMS-PC3200C2 Rev1.5 (2-2-2-5-1T) --chip--> Winbond New BH-5 ~ Brainpower PCB
XMS-PC3200LL Rev1.1/2.1 (2-2-2-6-1T) --chip--> Winbond BH-5
XMS-PC3200LL Rev1.2/2.2 (2-3-2-6-1T) --chip--> Winbond CH-5
XMS-PC3200LL Rev3.1 (2-3-2-6-1T) --chip--> Infineon B-5
XMS-PC3200XL/XLPT Rev1.1 (2-2-2-5-1T) --chip--> Samsung TCCD
XMS-PC3200XL/XLPT Rev1.2 (2-2-2-5-1T) --chip--> Samsung TCCD ~ Brainpower PCB
XMS-PC3500C2 Rev1.1 (2-3-3-7-1T) --chip--> Winbond BH-5
XMS-PC3700 Rev1.1(3-4-4-8-1T) --chip--> Samsung TCCC
XMS-PC4000 Rev1.1 (3-4-4-8-1T) --chip--> Hynix D43
XMS-PC4000 Rev3.1 (3-4-4-8) --chip--> Samsung TCCC
XMS-PC4400 Rev1.1 (3-4-4-8-1T) --chip--> Hynix D5
XMS-PC4400C25 (2.5-4-4-8-1T) --chip--> Samsung TCCD ~ Brainpower PCB

Crucial
PC3200 --chip--> may or may not contain Micron 46V32M8 -5B C, 46V32M8 -5B G
Ballistix PC3200 (2-2-2-8) --chip--> Micron 46V32M8 -5B G (maybe overlabeled)
Ballistix PC4000 (2.5-4-4-8) --chip--> Micron 46V32M8 -5B G (maybe overlabeled)

GeIL
Value PC3200 Blue (2.5-3-3-6) --chip--> Infineon 5ns, Hynix D5, D43, Winbond BH5\UTT (new ones)
Golden Dragon PC3200 (2-3-3-6-1T) --chip--> WLCSP chip package w/ Samsung chips
Ultra Platinum PC3200 (2-3-3-6-1T) --chip--> Winbond CH-5, Mosel Vitelic 5ns
Ultra-X PC3200 (2-2-2-5) --chip--> Samsung TCCD (old ones), Wibond BH-5\UTT (hand-picked, relabeled) ~ Brainpower PCB
Ultra-X PC4000\PC4400 (2-2-2-5\2,5-3-3-5\2,5-4-4-7 -1T) --chip--> Samsung TCCD (hand-picked, relabeled) ~ Brainpower PCB
Golden Dragon PC3500 (2.5-3-3-6-1T) --chip--> WLCSP chip package w/ Samsung chips
Ultra Platinum PC3500 (2.5-3-3-6-1T) --chip--> Winbond CH-5, Mosel Vitelic 5ns, Winbond BH5\UTT (new ones)
Golden Dragon PC3700 (2.5-4-4-7-1T) --chip--> WLCSP chip package w/ Samsung chips
Golden Dragon PC4000 (2.5-4-4-7-1T) --chip--> WLCSP chip package w/ Samsung chips
Ultra Series PC3200 (2-3-3-6-1T) --chip--> Samsung TCC5
Ultra Platinum PC4000 (3-4-4-8-1T) --chip--> Hynix D43
Ultra Platinum PC4200 (3-4-4-8-1T) --chip--> Hynix D43
Ultra Platinum PC4400 (3-4-4-8-1T) --chip--> Hynix D5

G.Skill
G.SKILL PC3200(DDR400 1T) (2-2-2-5 1T), (F1-3200BWU2-512MBGH/1GBGH) --chip--> Winbond UTT ~ Brainpower PCB
G.SKILL PC4800(DDR600 1T) (2.5-4-4-8 1T), PC3200 (2-2-2-5), (F1-3200DSU2-512FF/1GBFF) --chip--> Samsung TCCD (new production) ~ Brainpower PCB
G.SKILL PC4400(DDR550) (2.5-4-4-8), PC3200 (2-2-2-5) 1GB Kit (F1-3200DSU2-512LC/1GBLC) --chip--> Samsung TCCD ~ Brainpower PCB
G.SKILL PC4400(DDR550) (2.5-3-3-7), PC3200 (2-2-2-5) 512M Kit (F1-3200DSU2-512LE/1GBLE) --chip--> Samsung TCCD (new production) ~ Brainpower PCB
G.SKILL PC4800(DDR600) (2.5-4-4-8 2T | 3-4-4-8 1T), PC3200 (2-2-2-5) (F1-3200DSU2-512LA/1GBLA) --chip--> Samsung TCCD (new production) ~ Brainpower PCB
G.SKILL PC4400(DDR550) (2.5-4-4-8), PC3200 (2-3-3-6) (F1-3200DSU2-512LD/1GBLD) --chip--> Samsung TCCD ~ Brainpower PCB

Kingmax (incomplete)
Hardcore PC4000 DDR500 TSOP (3-4-4-8-1T) --chip--> Hynix D5 ~ Brainpower PCB

Kingston
HyperX PC2700 (2-2-2-5-1T) (KHX 2700) --chip--> first Samsung TCB3, then Winbond BH-6, CH-6, CH-5, relabeled unknown Chips.
HyperX PC3000 (2-2-2-6-1T) (KHX 3000) --chip--> first Samsung TCB3, then mainly Winbond BH-5, some BH-6, CH-5, CH-6 (maybe relabeled)
HyperX PC 3200 (old revision, not AK2, K2 or A) (KHX 3200) --chip--> Winbond BH-5
HyperX PC 3200K2 (2-2-2-6-1T) (KHX 3200K2) --chip--> Winbond BH-5
HyperX PC 3200AK2 (2-3-2-6-1T) (KHX 3200AK2) --chip--> Winbond CH-5
HyperX PC 3200ULK2 (2-2-2-5-1T) (KHX 3200ULK2) --chip--> Samsung TCCD
HyperX PC 3500 (rated 2-3-3-7 @ 433Mhz, 2-2-2-6 @ 400Mhz, old revision) (KHX 3500) --chip--> Winbond BH-5 (maybe relabeled)
HyperX PC 3500K2 (2-3-3-7) (KHX 3500K2) --chip--> Winbond CH-5
HyperX PC 3500A (2-3-3-7) (KHX 3500A) --chip--> Winbond CH-5
HyperX PC 4000K2 (3-4-4-8) (KHX 4000K2) --chip--> Samsung TCCC, Hynix D43, D5
HyperX PC 4300K2 (3-4-4-8) (KHX 4300K2) --chip--> Hynix D5
Kingston Ram w/remarked Chips as D328DW-45 --chip--> Before Week 18 Year 03 Winbond BH-5, after CH-5 (18 03 can be both)
Kingston Ram w/remarked Chips as D328DW-5 --chip--> Winbond BH-5
Kingston Ram w/remarked Chips as D328DW-6 Winbond BH-6
Kingston Ram w/remarked Chips as D328DM-6 --chip--> should Winbond BH-6
Kingston Ram w/remarked Chips as D328DM-5 --chip--> should Winbond BH-5
Value Ram 333Mhz (2,5-3-3-*) (KVR333X64C25) --chip--> may or may not contain Winbond BH-6, AH-6, Hynix D43, D5 look at the chips (maybe relabeled)
Value Ram 400Mhz (2,5-3-3-*) (KVR400X64C25) --chip--> may or may not contain Winbond BH-5, CH-5, Micron 46V32M8 -5B C, Hynix D43, D5, Samsung TCCC, TCC4 look at the chips (maybe relabeled)

Mushkin
PC2700 (Non Level X, rated 2-3-3, Promo-Build) --chip--> Winbond CH-6
PC3200 Cl2,5 (Non Level X, non Blue, non Green Serie) --chip--> Winbond BH-5, Samsung TCB3
PC3200 (Non Level X, rated 2-2-2, Promo-Build) --chip--> Winbond BH-5
PC3200 Level I (2-3-2) --chip--> Winbond CH-5
PC3200 Level II (2-2-2) --chip--> Winbond BH-5 or BH-6
PC3200 Special 2-2-2 --chip--> Winbond BH-6
PC3200 Level II V2 (2-2-2) --chip--> Samsung TCCD
PC3500 Level I (2-3-3) --chip--> Winbond CH-5
PC3500 Level II (2-2-2) --chip--> Winbond BH-5
PC3200 BLUE CL2 (2-3-3-X) --chip--> Winbond UTT ~ Brainpower PCB
PC3700 (2,5-4-3) --chip--> Samsung TCCD (rev. F)
PC4000 REDLINE XP4000 DDR500 (2-2-2-5-1T @~3,3V) --chip--> Winbond New BH-5 ~ Brainpower PCB
PC4400 (2,5-4-4) --chip--> Samsung TCCD (rev. F) ~ Brainpower PCB

OCZ
EL DDR PC3200 Gold --chip--> Winbond New BH5 ~ Brainpower PCB
EL DDR PC3200 Platinum Limited Edition (2-2-2-7) --chip--> Winbond BH-6
EL DDR PC3200 Platinum Edition (2-3-2-5) --chip--> Samsung TCB3, ProMOS 5ns (relabeled), Mosel Vitelic 5ns (relabeled), Winbond CH-5
EB DDR PC3200 Platinum Edition (2,5-3-2-8) --chip--> Micron 46V32M8 -5B C
EL DDR PC3200 Platinum Edition rev2 (2-2-2-5) --chip--> Samsung 4ns TCCD, Samsung TCC5 ~ Brainpower PCB
EL DDR PC3200 DC Value VX (OCZ4001024WV3DC-K) (3-4-4-8 @2,6V) --chip--> Windond UTT (relabeled as OCZ VX) ~ Brainpower PCB 808
EL DDR PC3200 DC Gold VX (2-3-3-8 @2.6V | 2-2-2-8 @3.2V) --chip--> Windond UTT (relabeled as OCZ Voltage eXtreme) ~ Brainpower PCB 808
EL DDR PC4000 DC Gold VX (2-2-2-8 @3.3V) --chip--> Windond UTT (relabeled as OCZ Voltage eXtreme) ~ Brainpower PCB 808
EL DDR PC3500 Platinum Limited Edition (2-2-3-6) --chip--> Winbond BH-5
EL DDR PC3500 Platinum Edition (2-3-2-5) --chip--> Winbond CH-5, few BH-5
EB DDR PC3500 Platinum Edition (2,5-3-2-8) --chip--> Micron 46V32M8 -5B C
EL DDR PC3700 Gold Edition rev1 (2-3-3-7) --chip--> Samsung TCB3 (overlabeled)
EL DDR PC3700 Gold Edition rev2 (2,5-3-3-7) --chip--> ProMOS 5ns (relabeled) , Mosel Vitelic 5ns (relabeled)
EL DDR PC3700 Gold Edition rev3 (2,5-3-3-8) --chip--> Hynix DT-D5 ~ Brainpower PCB 808
EL DDR PC3700 Platinum Edition (2-3-3-8) --chip--> Samsung TCCD (new production), Samsung TCC5 (new production) ~ Brainpower PCB
EB DDR PC3700 Platinum Edition (3-2-2-8/3-3-2-8) --chip--> Micron 46V32M8 -5B C
DDR PC4000 (3-4-4-8) --chip--> Hynix D5, D43 (relabeled)
DDR PC4200 (3-4-4-8) --chip--> Hynix D5, D43
DDR PC4400 (3-4-4-8) --chip--> Hynix D5
EL DDR PC4400 Gold Edition (2,5-4-4-8) --chip--> Hynix B, Samsung TCCD ~ Brainpower PCB
EL PC4800 Platinum Edition (2,5-4-4-10 1T/2T @2,85V) --chip--> Samsung TCCD (new production) ~ Brainpower PCB
EL PC5000 Platinum Edition DFI Special DDR625 (3-4-4-10 1T/2T @2,85V) --chip--> Samsung TCCD (new production) ~ Brainpower PCB


OC-Wear
OC-WearDDR PC3200 (2-3-3-6) - DDR560 CL 3-4-4-8 @ 2,8V --chip--> Samsung TCCD ~ Brainpower PCB
OC-Wear PC3200 DDR400 2-2-2-5 (2-2-2-5-1T) --> Winbond New BH-5

Patriot (incomplete)
Patriot PDC5123200+XBLK\PDC1G3200+XBLK (2-2-2-5) --chip--> Samsung TCCD ~ Brainpower PCB

PQI (incomplete)
PQI Turbo Memory DC PC3200 (2-2-2-5) --chip--> Samsung TCCD ~ Brainpower PCB
PQI Turbo Memory DC PC4000 (2,5-3-3-7) --chip--> Samsung TCCD ~ Brainpower PCB

Samsung
PC3200 --chip--> Samsung TCC4, TCCC
PC3700 --chip--> Samsung TCC5
PC4000 (CL3) --chip--> Samsung TCCD (just few samples)

Shikatronics
ShikaXram PC4400 (3-4-4-8) --chip--> Hynix B

SimpleTech
Nitro PC4000 (3-4-4-8) --chip--> Hynix D5

Team Group
ASTAK DDR600 PC4800 (3-4-4-8) --chip--> Samsung TCCD ~ Brainpower PCB 808

TwinMos
Twinmos DDR333 (2,5-3-3-6) --chip--> Samsung TCB3, TCC4 Winbond AH-6, Winbond BH-6, Twinmos, Hynix, Mtec
Twinmos/Winbond DDR400 (2,5-3-3-6) --chip--> Could be Winbond BH-5, CH-5, look at the chips
Twinmos Twisters DDR500 (TSOP) (3-4-4-8) --chip--> Hynix D43, Samsung TCCC
Twinmos Twisters DDR533 (3-4-4-8) --chip--> Hynix D5
TwisterPro PC3200/DDR400 (2-2-2-5) --chip--> Samsung TCCD
TwisterPro PC3700/DDR466 (2,5-3-3-7) --chip--> Samsung TCCD
Speed Premium PC3500 (DDR433) (2,5-3-3-8) --chip--> Winbond New BH-5

Twinmos with Winbond UTT (relabeled as Twinmos\M.Tec) <--chip--
(*) Twinmos SpeedPremium (after week 46/2004 with UTT & BP PCB)
(*) Two Dots marking
(*) AA4T (not AADT or 1A4T)
(*) Metal Dots (two in each side!)
(*) 44D (or 50D) TMD marking (some 60D PC2700 too)

Twinmos with New Winbond BH-5 (relabeled as Twinmos\M.Tec) <--chip--
(*) Twinmos SpeedPremium (after week 46/2004 with BH-5 & BP PCB)
(*) Two Dots marking
(*) 1A4T (not AADT or AA4T)
(*) Metal Dots (two in each side!)
(*) 44D (or 50D) TMD marking (some 60D PC2700 too)

Ultra
Extreme Memory PC3200 DDR 400MHZ (2-2-2-5-1T) --chip--> Winbond BH-5, selected CH-5

? = Need more input
Modified JEDEC (Reference) PCB/Brainpower PCB = Ehnanced PCBs (+5/10 Mhz)

____________________ (c) //mAr - Updated by Punisher!

SAMSNUG TCCD RAM CLASSIFICATION based on review, comments, posts, etc. (it is ABSOLUTELY indicative and of course it is not scientific because a lot depends on chip luck):

* +~300 Mhz:
G.SKILL PC4800(DDR600 1T) (2.5-4-4-8 1T), PC3200 (2-2-2-5), (F1-3200DSU2-512FF/1GBFF) ~ Brainpower PCB
^ "Puni's Choice" (best TCCD in in the market, agile and powerful, "300 Mhz" are past, now 1T certified)

G.SKILL PC4800(DDR600) (2.5-4-4-8 2T | 3-4-4-8 1T), PC3200 (2-2-2-5) (F1-3200DSU2-512LA/1GBLA) ~ Brainpower PCB
G.SKILL PC4400(DDR550) (2.5-3-3-7), PC3200 (2-2-2-5) 512M Kit (F1-3200DSU2-512LE/1GBLE) ~ Brainpower PCB
OCZ EL PC5000 Platinum Edition DFI Special DDR625 (3-4-4-10 1T/2T @2,85V) ~ Brainpower PCB
OCZ EL PC4800 Platinum Edition (2,5-4-4-10 1T/2T @2,85V) ~ Brainpower PCB
OCZ EL DDR PC3700 Platinum Edition (2-3-3-8) ~ Brainpower PCB
OCZ EL DDR PC3200 Platinum Edition rev2 (2-2-2-5) ~ Brainpower PCB
GeIL Ultra-X PC3200\PC4000\PC4400 (2-2-2-5\2,5-3-3-5\2,5-4-4-7 -1T) ~ Brainpower PCB
Team Group ASTAK DDR600 PC4800 (3-4-4-8) --chip--> Samsung TCCD ~ Brainpower PCB 808
Mushkin PC4400 (2,5-4-4) --chip--> Samsung TCCD (rev. F) ~ Brainpower PCB
New Centon Advanced DDR ~ Brainpower PCB
A-Data PC4800/PC4500 Vitesta DDR600/DDR566 - Modified JEDEC PCB
* ~-300 Mhz:
G.SKILL PC4400(DDR550) (2.5-4-4-8), PC3200 (2-2-2-5) 1GB Kit (F1-3200DSU2-512LC/1GBLC) ~ Brainpower PCB
Corsair XMS-PC4400C25 (2.5-4-4-8-1T) --chip--> Samsung TCCD ~ Brainpower PCB
Corsair XMS-PC3200XL Rev1.2/XLPT (2-2-2-5-1T) ~ Brainpower PCB
Corsair XMS-PC3200XL Rev1.1 (2-2-2-5-1T)
G.SKILL PC4400(DDR550) (2.5-4-4-8), PC3200 (2-3-3-6) (F1-3200DSU2-512LD/1GBLD) ~ Brainpower PCB
Mushkin PC3700 (2,5-4-3) --chip--> Samsung TCCD (rev. F)
PQI Turbo Memory DC PC4000 (2,5-3-3-7) --chip--> Samsung TCCD ~ Brainpower PCB
Samsung PC4000
PQI Turbo Memory DC PC3200 (2-2-2-5) ~ Brainpower PCB
Patriot PDC5123200+XBLK\PDC1G3200+XBLK (2-2-2-5) ~ Brainpower PCB
Corsair XMS-PC3200C2 Rev4.1 (2-3-3-6-1T)
OC-WearDDR PC3200 - DDR560 CL 3-4-4-8 @ 2,8V
* -300 Mhz:
Mushkin PC3200 Level II V2 (2-2-2)
TwisterPro PC3200/DDR400 (2-2-2-5)
HyperX PC 3200ULK2 (2-2-2-5-1T) (KHX 3200ULK2)
Apacer PC4000
Centon Advanced DDR


"+~300 Mhz" = for sure over 300 Mhz, except rarity.
"~-300 Mhz" = around 300 Mhz, largely under 300 Mhz.
"-300 Mhz" = under 300 Mhz of about 5*(2,)3,4,5(,6) Mhz except rarity.

With V-RAM ~2,85V and relaxed timings.

____________________ (c) Punisher!

Winbond UTT vs TCCD (indicative comparison, not scientific):

* Low Timings 2-2-2-X:
Winbond UTT (260-265 Mhz 1T @ ~3,4V) > TCCD (235-240 Mhz 1T @ ~2,85V)
* Medium Timings 2,5-3-3-X:
TCCD (~300 Mhz 1T @ 2,85V) > Winbond UTT (263-268 Mhz 1T @ 3,4V)
* High Timings 3-4-4-X:
TCCD (+300 Mhz 1T/2T @ ~2,85V) > Winbond UTT (265-270 Mhz ~1T/2T @ 3,4V)
* Consumption (max = at which voltage they give their max):
TCCD: ~2,85V (max)
Winbond UTT: +3,4V (max unknown)

Thanks to The Punisher from www.xtremesystems.org
 

DJ-CHRIS

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Not worth a sticky because TCCD is not produced anymore, it's mainly TCCC now or something.
 

Elbatrop1

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I hope you asked if you could copy+paste this before you took it.

But, I would say that this would make a good sticky for the proposed Extreme Overclocking Section.
 

Him

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As it would. I dont think he would mind, i gave him due credit. Will give him more.

The fact that they dont make TCCD's anymore would be all the more reason to sticky this, since alot of people prefer them.
 

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Him said:
The following is a list of RAM that uses Samsung TCCD's:

Confirmed Samsung TCCD

OCZ PC3200 Rev.2 ~ Brainpower PCB

I think it was discovered that those use TCC5. I however think Winbond BH-5 is the best.
 

gaara

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TCCDs haven't been totally discontinued, their phasing them out and moving to TCC5 chips which are the next step up the food chain. They're still very much availible now though.

OCZ Revision 2 uses the TCC5s now, not TCCDs.

TCC5 hasn't been covered enough yet to form solid information, but they run tighter timings and need more vDIMM from what I've gathered. They still use the same dies as TCCD though.
 
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