Ok my friend has a ati radeon 9800pro 256mb 1gb pc2100 ram and a p4 2ghz which is pretty crappy especially when its in a little sony mid tower filled to the brim with dust in a room that is always 90+ degrees regarding the season. It turns out he didnt know the fan stopped working on the card and his computer just shut off. They tried to get it to boot and it wouldnt. So the 5 or so minutes they had, they tried a system restore and it crashed during it cause of the thermal sensor. The computer then wouldnt boot to windows. So then they try to reformat and well it crapped out right away for the same reason. Now during this my friend keeps calling me and leaving no messages so i never returned the calls. He eventually finds out the fan is not working. So my friend realizes I need a new fan and asks another person about getting a cooler. They end up getting him a pos cooler for the card for like 5 bucks off a site. They put it in and it seems to run longer he said until he smelled smoke and when he opened it smoke basically poored out and the card was fried. As funny as this all is I still dont understand how the thermal shutdown stopped working. I would take pics but after laughing at him and calling him and his friend's dad retard's, we really arent friends anymore. Lol