yeah, I mean I got that 4870 for 100 dollars, so hey no complaints there. Is there any games out yet that really show directx 11? Cause from what tomshardware was saying and what I saw in the vids, dirt 2 didn't show much. I am interested as to see what is done with it. I will prob sell the 4870 when nvidia rolls out its cards. I also might be into doing a pencil mod with my 4870, what are your thoughts man?