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Old 08-17-2005, 11:47 AM   #31 (permalink)
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God stop giving this guy grief, his story sounds legit, yet everyone wants to jump on the 'piracy conspiracy bandwagon'.

Call Microsoft and talk to customer support, eventually you will get someone over there who can help you.

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Old 08-17-2005, 11:58 AM   #32 (permalink)
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all valid key should be able to work with all valid win xp, so there is no point in making such a software unless you are trying to create a keygen..

though, that only goes for one version of windows, i think home and pro has the same algrithom, i'm not too sure on that..
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Old 08-17-2005, 02:47 PM   #33 (permalink)
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all valid key should be able to work with all valid win xp, so there is no point in making such a software unless you are trying to create a keygen..

though, that only goes for one version of windows, i think home and pro has the same algrithom, i'm not too sure on that..
Ok validating the product key is not our main concern, as I have tried to explain it many times before. I will give you guys an example of what is going on.

Customer needs WindowsXP reinstalled and cleaned up for daughter. Customer cannot find label/sticker with the key but HAS been confirmed to purchase the operating system from us. Records do not indicate which version it was. Using different utilities to grab the key from the ghosted images registry(most recently ProduKey from nirsoft.net) is a valid key but we do not know for what version it is for.
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Old 08-17-2005, 03:18 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Of course, as I've said before, this is total bunk. He should be asking the customer for that information, examining the PC, or requiring some kind of proof of license.
the problem with this is most people bringing their computer to a shop to be repaired, they don't know jack about computers and they almost always throw their cds away

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all valid key should be able to work with all valid win xp, so there is no point in making such a software unless you are trying to create a keygen..

though, that only goes for one version of windows, i think home and pro has the same algrithom, i'm not too sure on that..
this isn't so. trust me on that. a lot of keys will work on the OEM version though.

here are the different versions of xp VLK = volume = corperate. this isn't counting gateway, dell, sony, etc, XP disc


Windows XP Combo Home/Pro = WXPHFPP_EN 08/23/01 1:00 AM (01:00:00)

Windows XP Home Retail = WXHFPP_EN 08/23/01 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55277000
Windows XP Home Retail w/ SP1 = XRMHFPP_EN 08/29/02 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55277000
Windows XP Home Retail w/ SP1a = X1AHFPP_EN 03/31/03 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55277000
Windows XP Home Retail w/ SP2 = VRMHFPP_EN 08/04/04 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55277000
Windows XP Home Upgrade = WXHCCP_EN 08/23/01 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55285000
Windows XP Home Upgrade W/SP1 = XRMHCCP_EN 08/29/02 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55285000
Windows XP Home Upgrade W/SP1a = X1AHCCP_EN 03/31/03 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55285000
Windows XP Home Upgrade W/SP2 = VRMHCCP_EN 08/04/04 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55285000
Windows XP Home OEM = WXHOEM_EN 08/23/01 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55277OEM
Windows XP Home OEM w/ SP1 = XRMHOEM_EN 08/29/02 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55277OEM
Windows XP Home OEM w/ SP1a = X1AHOEM_EN 03/31/03 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55277OEM
Windows XP Home OEM w/ SP2 = VRMHOEM_EN 08/04/04 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55277OEM
Windows XP Home Volume = WXHVOL_EN 08/23/01 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55274270
Windows XP Home Volume W/ SP1 = XRMHVOL_EN 08/29/02 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55274270
Windows XP Home Volume W/ SP1a = X1AHVOL_EN 03/31/03 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55274270
Windows XP Home Volume W/ SP2 = VRMHVOL_EN 08/04/04 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55274270

Windows XP Pro Retail = WXPFPP_EN 08/23/01 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55274000
Windows XP Pro Retail w/ SP1 = XRMPFPP_EN 08/29/02 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55274000
Windows XP Pro Retail w/ SP1a = X1APFPP_EN 03/31/03 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55274000
Windows XP Pro Retail w/ SP2 = VRMPFPP_EN 08/04/04 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55274000
Windows XP Pro Upgrade = WXPCCP_EN 08/23/01 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55276000
Windows XP Pro Upgrade w/ SP1 = XRMPCCP_EN 08/29/02 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55276000
Windows XP Pro Upgrade w/ SP1a = X1APCCP_EN 03/31/03 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55276000
Windows XP Pro Upgrade w/ SP2 = VRMPCCP_EN 08/04/04 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55276000
Windows XP Pro OEM = WXPOEM_EN 08/23/01 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55274OEM
Windows XP Pro OEM w/ SP1 = XRMPOEM_EN 08/29/02 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55274OEM
Windows XP Pro OEM w/ SP1a = X1APOEM_EN 03/31/03 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55274OEM
Windows XP Pro OEM w/ SP2 = VRMPOEM_EN 08/04/04 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55274OEM
Windows XP Pro Volume = WXPVOL_EN 08/23/01 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55274270
Windows XP Pro Volume w/ SP1 = XRMPVOL_EN 08/29/02 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55274270
Windows XP Pro Volume w/ SP1a = X1APVOL_EN 03/31/03 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55274270
Windows XP Pro Volume w/ SP2 = VRMPVOL_EN 08/04/04 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55274270
Windows XP Pro Tablet PC w/SP1 Disc1 = XRMPFPP_EN 08/29/02 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55274000
Windows XP Pro Tablet PC w/SP1a Disc1 = X1APFPP_EN 03/31/03 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55274000
Windows XP Pro Tablet PC w/SP2 Disc1 = VRMPFPP_EN 08/04/04 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55274000
Windows XP Pro MSDN = WXPFPP_EN 08/23/01 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55274000
Windows XP Pro MSDN w/ SP1 = XRMPFPP_EN 08/29/02 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55274000
Windows XP Pro MSDN w/ SP1a = X1APFPP_EN 03/31/03 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55274000
Windows XP Pro MSDN w/ SP2 = VRMPFPP_EN 08/04/04 8:00 AM (08:00:00) 55274000
Windows XP Pro Evaluation = WXPEVL_EN

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Old 08-18-2005, 10:11 AM   #35 (permalink)
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the problem with this is most people bringing their computer to a shop to be repaired, they don't know jack about computers and they almost always throw their cds away
If they throw their CDs away (for whatever stupid reason) it's not that big of a deal. If they've got their key, that's all they really need. The installer can use practically any CD of that version, as long as the customer has the key.

If the customer can call in the key, it's likely that they're reading this off of the license sheet (if not the CD case). The license sheet says what release of Windows the key is for.

If they threw out their license sheet, too...he shouldn't support them because they no longer legally own that copy of Windows. It's like throwing out the deed to your house or the title to your car. They would have lost their legal claim to it. That being said, he shouldn't support them.
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Old 08-18-2005, 09:52 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Throwing out the COA label does not mean that you no longer own Windows. Give me a break.

I used to work for a very large enterprise and we would buy licenses for all kinds of Microsoft stuff in very large chunks, and rarely if ever got COA labels in the mail.

EDIT: I just have to remark... jesus people. What planet do you all live on? A planet where every single person who asks a question about Windows licensing is a pirate, and shops who support sometimes-clueless customers are involved in some kind of conspiracy to defraud Microsoft out of its money? :amazed:
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EDIT: I just have to remark... jesus people. What planet do you all live on? A planet where every single person who asks a question about Windows licensing is a pirate, and shops who support sometimes-clueless customers are involved in some kind of conspiracy to defraud Microsoft out of its money? :amazed:
thank you. we should all assume that their questions is on the up the up and up until they tell us otherwise.
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This is yet another instance of Tyler turning a thread into an anti piracy campaign. Can somebody explain how this is piracy in their minds. First of all it doesnt matter where you get the cd as long as the key was obtained in a legit way. If a person has a pc that came pre loaded with xp, and their hard drive crashes, and they were not sent a reinstallation cd, that person has every right to have xp reinstalled on their machine with any xp cd that accepts the product code that came with their computer, or upgrade cd. XP's product key is machine specific, The cd is not. And for you guys to jump all over this guy with piracy claims, you are garbage. Here is a guy trying to make a living, just trying to append a license key to the version of windows it applies to, and you have to the nerve to once again pull out the piracy card. Tyler, you are a real jerk, and you need to lay off of people.
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Thankyou floyd that what I've been trying to say all along.
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Old 08-21-2006, 02:00 PM   #40 (permalink)
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I have a similar need, just to explain a legitimate problem that has occured. This problem has now been ongoing for about 2 months. Sorry if this goes a bit long, but I want people to understand my problem.

I recently came into a second hand Toshiba laptop computer without disks and with a crashed hard drive. Unfortunately most of the labels on the case have faded somehow, possibly due to being cleaned by the previous owner.

The Windows product key is clearly visible on the COA, but the version information has been removed. The label looks genuine, a check on the Microsoft Genuine Advantage site shows a picture of various labels and the colouring is consistent with their Green/Blue label. It also has the laser holographs present in the correct light. I can supply a photograph of the faded labels if anybody wants to see.

I have several other computers with XP Pro installed, all legitimate, and have access to various XP Home and Pro disks. I have now tried all the disks available to me with little success. I was able to completely install XP Home early on, but when I tried to activate it after installation I was informed me that I had an invalid key.

Now, my understanding is that the OEM COA label must be attached to a computer at the time of software installation, and then becomes registered to that hardware upon activation. If the machine is resold, IT IS ILLEGAL FOR THE SELLER TO REMOVE THE LABEL AND ATTACH IT TO THE NEW COMPUTER. I would imagine this then means that the label and the key then become the property of the new owner. Please correct me if I am wrong on this point.

I run a small business repairing computers and other office machinery, and from my investigations so far, it appears that as well as there being at least 5 different versions of Windows XP, that is Pro OEM, Pro Volume, Pro Retail, Home OEM, Home Retail, there are also different revisions that will not install if the key does not match the disk you are installing from. If you view the System Information dialog it lists the version of the Installation CD. I have had several other Toshiba computers in the workshop over the last month and they all show the same version as 55274-OEM-xxxxxxxxxx, whereas my current unactivated XP Home installation shows 76477-OEM-xxxxxxxxxx. My problem is that I do not have access to the 55274-OEM CD.

I could always go the MS route, and purchase a new licence from the Genuine Advantage program, but I don't see why I should have to. This would amount to Microsoft cancelling my current legal key with no justification. OK. It's my problem that I dont have the proper physical CD to go with my machine, but as has been pointed out in this forum, Microsoft allow this every time they sell a Volume Licence to a corporation, and the product actually supports slipstreamed installations from copied media and other non original sources. If the legal CD still exists somewhere, it is no use to the current holder of it anyway without a valid key to use with it.

This thread asks for a program that shows the Windows version when given a product key. Another alternative would be for the Windows installer to ask for the key at the start of the installation, rather than 45 minutes into it. How about it Mr Microsoft?
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