Well they gave me EVERYTHING to plug in ...port numbers, incoming server, outgoing server, ssl/tsl IMAP, etc etc etc
but the mozilla one still refuses to work even if I put in the same exact stuff as the windows live :\
oh well lol..i guess I'll figure that out at some point though
it's still not letting me send mail to others though :| even to myself, I can receive fine but I can't send it. Changed the port manually on the outgoing server, set the secure log in settings (it requires it) and fiddled with everything else :\
EDIT: after screwing around with the mozilla thing forever I got it to finally send
thread can be closed now...thanks mak, puddle,lex, and joe