Eric,
I see your point. I can say that i am a ipod hater as well i dont own one. I love my Zune and see no reason to switch. But i have worked with at elast 100 of them and they are nice.
But you are right. The mp3 players now are playing catchup. Almost any car made in the last 5 years will work with a ipod no extras required.
But jsut as there are ipod lovers and haters there is Zune lovers and haters. Just as much bad stuff can be said of ipods as there can be of Zune.
Zune had the WiFi feature before the iPod. Granted not full WiFi to use to gain access to the internet. It was only used between Zunes. But then the iPod put it on. So apple took what M$ did and went further with it.
Plus the iPhone isnt the first one either. I had a MP3 player on my phone long before the iPhone was released.
So the arguement can go anyway. It just comes down to which device you like more.
I am just trying to say that while the iPod maybe the first. They are not the only ones now. That is all i am saying. I am not trying to spark up a argument over which is better. They both have their strong points. I prefer my Zune. You prefer the iPod. We can go back and forth till time ends which is better and never have a clear winner.
Cheers,
Mak