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Old 12-12-2004, 12:06 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I'm having a difficult time trying to figure out what you're saying theMajor, can you please clarify? If you're saying he can use diskpart to create his partitions than yes I would agree. what I was trying to make clear was that formatting and partitioning are 2 separate things.

What I cannot understand is why are you mixing NTFS with a partitioning utility? they are not related, you can't format a volume with NTFS using a partitioning program alone. and you can format a volume as NTFS on a partition no matter what partitioning program you used to create it.
I know the difference between partitioning and formatting. They are almost the same because you cannot create a partition without a filesystem. If you create a filesystem (ntfs or whatever) the filetable (or MFT) is created. If you create a partition you can choose FATx or NTFS in most partitioning programs/tools. FDISK program can delete NTFS partitions, it cannot create them (format usig NTFS) it can format an NTFS partition using FAT, that's the same as deleting it and creating a new FAT partition.

I was asking if you can create or format a partition/disk using NTFS in DISKPART (xp recovery console) I just found out its possible.

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You cannot install XP on another computer with SP2 and detect the full 250GB in your computer without SPx.

48bit LBA support is disabled without SP1 or SP2.

There is a registry hack wich enables 48bit LBA mode without installing a servicepack. You will be able to see drives over 137GB (like yours)

X-Setup has an option to change/add this registry setting.(www.x-setup.com) I am not sure if its safe, though. You should install SP1 (or SP2) and resize the partition afterwards (using a third party partitioning utility like PartitionMagic)

Another option is to creat multiple partitions before installing XP, or add them once you installed SP1 or SP2.

You can also slipstream SP1 or 2 to a copy of your XP disc, this will automatically detect the full 250GB on install.

You cannot format partitions bigger than 32GB when using FAT32 filesystem.
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Thanx TheMajor the www.x-setup.com worked.
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no problem

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TheMajor please let me clarify some misconceptions you have about partitioning, formatting and file systems.

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I know the difference between partitioning and formatting. They are almost the same because you cannot create a partition without a filesystem.

yes you can. an empty un-formatted partition is considered a raw partition by winxp/2k.

FDISK program can delete NTFS partitions, it cannot create them (format usig NTFS) it can format an NTFS partition using FAT, that's the same as deleting it and creating a new FAT partition.

when you see a partition listed as "non-dos" in fdisk that means that partition is not FAT. it is still either a primary partition or extended partition. I think (not sure) that both linux and NTFS formatted partitions are displayed as "non-dos" by fdisk. so you can create an NTFS partition.

I was asking if you can create or format a partition/disk using NTFS in DISKPART (xp recovery console) I just found out its possible.

you cannot format with diskpart. it is strictly a partitioning program. Neither diskpart or fdisk perform formatting functions. format is a separate function outside of these.


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You cannot install XP on another computer with SP2 and detect the full 250GB in your computer without SPx.


I'm pretty sure this is untrue. if you create a partition greater than 137GB with another partitioning utility (as oppssed to winxp, no service packs) winxp (no service pack) will recognize these partitions and you will be able to use them. you could do this with fdisk & format using a winME startup disk.

You cannot format partitions bigger than 32GB when using FAT32 filesystem.

this is a limitation with winXP (maybe win2k also). if you create & format a partition using FAT32 greater than 32GB outside of winxp, winxp will recognise that FAT volume. the 32GB limitation in winXP was engineered on purpose, I am not sure why.


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Yes, its an XP limitation, the 32gigs.

Most partitioning tools do not give you an option to create a "raw" partition. It HAS to format to create a filesystem. Formatting means "creating a filesystem" right?

Are you saying when creating a primary FAT32 partition using FDISK, FDISK isn't capable of formatting?
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Most partitioning tools do not give you an option to create a "raw" partition. It HAS to format to create a filesystem. Formatting means "creating a filesystem" right?

the term "raw" partition simply means a partition that has no file system. it is un-formatted. this is not just an option in win2k or winxp. yes formatting means creating a file system. maybe they coined the term "raw" afterwards, but it is not a new concept

Are you saying when creating a primary FAT32 partition using FDISK, FDISK isn't capable of formatting?

yes that's exactly what I'm saying. FDISK and DISKPART cannot format. this is not a function that they are capable of doing. formatting is a different utility.
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What's the difference between creating a filesystem and formatting? Almost the same, right?
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these formatting definitions are taken from a google search. it is not technically correct, but many people would generalize formatting is creating a file system on a hard disk partition or logical drive.


Strictly, formatting is organising and marking the surface of a disk into tracks, sectors , and cylinders. It is also sometimes (incorrectly) a term used to signify the action of writing a filesystem to a disk (especially in the MS Windows/MS DOS world).


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(v.) (1) To prepare a storage medium, usually a disk, for reading and writing. When you format a disk, the operating system erases all bookkeeping information on the disk, tests the disk to make sure all sectors are reliable, marks bad sectors (that is, those that are scratched), and creates internal address tables that it later uses to locate information. You must format a disk before you can use it.
Note that reformatting a disk does not erase the data on the disk, only the address tables. Do not panic, therefore, if you accidentally reformat a disk that has useful data. A computer specialist should be able to recover most, if not all, of the information on the disk. You can also buy programs that enable you to recover a disk yourself.

The previous discussion, however, applies only to high-level formats, the type of formats that most users execute. In addition, hard disks have a low-level format, which sets certain properties of the disk such as the interleave factor. The low-level format also determines what type of disk controller can access the disk (e.g., RLL or MFM).

Almost all hard disks that you purchase have already had a low-level format. It is not necessary, therefore, to perform a low-level format yourself unless you want to change the interleave factor or make the disk accessible by a different type of disk controller. Performing a low-level format erases all data on the disk.

(2) To specify the properties, particularly visible properties, of an object. For example, word processing applications allow you to format text, which involves specifying the font, alignment, margins, and other properties.

(n.) A specific pre-established arrangement or organization of data. Data in a file is stored in a format that is established by whatever application created the file (i.e., organized the data) and typically needs to be read by the same or similar program that can interpret the format and present the data to the user on the computer screen.

Almost everything associated with computers has a format.
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