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Old 10-04-2004, 02:10 PM   #11 (permalink)
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The only things the government are allowed to fully deny you from, as far as media and communications go, are channels of communication that pertain to security of the nation and its associate bodies.

The government, by law, cannot completely deny you access to pron and violent films. The manufacturers of the products (the VCRs and DVD players, etc) CAN, though, as a way of protecting themselves from liability, and also as a selling point to people who wish to protect their own interests (family members) from "unwanted" viewing topics.

If you bought a unit with a chip that cannot be turned off, it's tought-luck for you. Most likely, though, it can be turned off, either through a programming menu through the unit, or through a physical jumper inside the box. Check your documentation, or CONTACT THE MANUFACTURER.

If the chip is a "permanent ON" chip, it is likely that it is the size of a pencil tip and embedded to the board in some unknown location.
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Old 10-05-2004, 01:24 PM   #12 (permalink)
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TY for the support everyone, but someone said to simply buy a tv without a v-chip. Well you can but it would be 12 in. The fcc made a law that says that all tvs since 1996 that are 13 inches or more need a v-chip in it. The older TV's suck and I want to use my 42 inch. Another reason i wanna get rid of the v-chip is because in china the only websites you can goto are the one's they sponser. China belives that the tv should be censored also. The same way the v-chip does. What if there is frequency that the v-chip blocks without us knowing? There probably isnt anything else out there but I dont want to be pacified by the FCC. oh by the way my vchip is set to not block anything but i still hate it. All i wanna do is a quick solder job. Im pretty sure id have to replace the v-chip with somethin because it lets things though or blocks it so if theres nothin there nothin would happen.
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all the more reson for a tv tuner card in your pc, no vchip in my pc
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Old 10-05-2004, 04:28 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Even though that was turned-over several years later, you can still buy a big TV with a V-chip and turn it off! I've got a 52in TV at home, and I can turn the chip on or off with the fk'n remote. I'm not flip'n out about it.
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China is NOT a democratic government. They censor their people from a lot. If you live in China and don't like the Chinese government...leave. American patented products manufactured in China for the US market, obey the US FCC laws. If those products are going to the Chinese market, they must obey the Chinese version of their "FCC."
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What if there is frequency that the v-chip blocks without us knowing?
How would you know? Welcome to living under a government. (Doesn't matter what government, either, btw.) You could spend some money and buy some really good communications gear and scan the communications spectrum...but that borders strongly on paranoia. Plus if anyone picks up your scatter on protected channels, some magicians will come to your house and make you disappear.
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oh by the way my vchip is set to not block anything but i still hate it.
True, it is kinda encroaching on our lives...but look at it from a sales perspective. If you were making TVs, you'd want to make them with the chips in them, so that the TVs would appeal to those who WANT the ability to protect their children (and sometimes themselves) from the blocked content. The manufacturers make TVs with chips that can be turned off or on, to appeal to both sides of the fence: people who want, and people don't want.
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All i wanna do is a quick solder job.
It would all depend on how the unit's board was created. If you ripped the chip out, 5 gets you 10 it (the unit) won't work anymore. In fact, given laws about the chips, and the fact that manufacturers don't want to be liable, the chip probably communicates regularly that it is "still there" even if it has been turned off, so that the unit knows the chip is still in it.

Honestly, dude...Yer making me wonder if you're stuck in some kind of Running-Man dream...
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Old 10-05-2004, 05:33 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Old 10-05-2004, 06:43 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Good idea Yon!

"A media ratings system mandated by the government under threat of the formation of a federal rating agency should private industry fail is not a "voluntary" system. It is a form of censorship clearly forbidden by the First Amendment. " - http://archive.aclu.org/library/aavchip.html Thats why im against it Shoobie.

You said it would be good sales... if it was a good sales item to have on a TV the industry would put them in before it was a law. Im sure the TV indusrty wasn' to happy with that one.

You also said "Welcome to living under a government." but that goverment which we live in was founded under laws that it setup(thats the constitution and the bill of rights). Obviousely from my first quote they have broken those rules.

Then theres China. No they are not a democracy but we are not communist. I think cesorship under communism is understandable but not ours.

The frequency blocking thing, I'm not to wacked out on. Do I really belive that we are being blocked from channels that will harm the goverment. Of course not but there is a possibility that one day we will become more communistic *cough*democraticparty*cough* and we will be blocked and I dont want the TV censorship to be easier with the v-chip.

The rating system was based on someone elses morals, they told us that we should have the same morals as they do by sticking a law on them. I dont think the goverment should tell me my morals do you shoobie?

Can anyone awnser my original question?
(AND_YOU_ARE im going to buy a tv card for my computer now)
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A media ratings system mandated by the government under threat of the formation of a federal rating agency should private industry fail is not a "voluntary" system.
Two things here. One, the rating system was put into place by consumer demand AND by manufacturer demand (as a way of saving them from rampant liability). Two, the FCC was created so that you would be able to use your cell phone, watch TV, listen to the radio, use your computer, and just about every other electronic device. If there were no communication restrictions, you wouldn't be doing much.
The ACLU is your arguing source? Got anything less bias?
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You said it would be good sales... if it was a good sales item to have on a TV the industry would put them in before it was a law. Im sure the TV indusrty wasn' to happy with that one.
There were similar chips before the laws were put in place, but the popularity of the concept wasn't so much there as it is now. More people are inclined to want these chips now than they were 10-15 years ago.
Also, I'll guarantee you the desk I'm sitting at, that if you look at an (unbiased) consumer report for familes and TV with the chip, you'll find that TV's that support the ability to block certain channels, sell better.
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You also said "Welcome to living under a government." but that goverment which we live in was founded under laws that it setup(thats the constitution and the bill of rights). Obviousely from my first quote they have broken those rules.
My first return argument here is going to be to point you back to my original comment "How would you know?" in regards to what the government chooses to cencor. My second argument is, if the government chooses to censor a certain band of the communications realm, they will do so and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. Now when it comes to television channels, the main reason the V-chips are all installed now with the ability to have them turned off or on, is because of the social argument in this area. If the US government wishes to block you from seeing TV transmissions from Iraqi terrorists communicating on channels you could pick up with your TV, you can't help that, though.
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Then theres China. No they are not a democracy but we are not communist. I think cesorship under communism is understandable but not ours.
China doesn't give its people the amount of freedom as the US and other countries. I'm sure if you went and talked to Hu Jintao, he might listen.
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Do I really belive that we are being blocked from channels that will harm the goverment. Of course not
Trust me, pal, you are. And if you don't think you're being blocked from secure channels without your knowing, you're pretty niave. You can go to ANY country on this rock, and you will be safe to assume you are being censored from at least some communications band.
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we will be blocked and I dont want the TV censorship to be easier with the v-chip
Since you can turn the TV chip off, it's kinda a moot point. If you know of a station you are not getting, and you think may be blocked somehow, call your signal provider and ask if you should be getting that channel on your plan. If you're supposed to be getting a station, and there is no legal reason why you are being blocked from it, you've got a case. There could be countless legal reasons why you aren't getting it.
The US government isn't going to turn on us and attack. There's a bit more civilian control than you think.
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The rating system was based on someone elses morals, they told us that we should have the same morals as they do by sticking a law on them. I dont think the goverment should tell me my morals do you shoobie?
First off, the national rating system was put in place by a system of statistical analysis of public report, public voting, specialists, etc, etc, etc. No one person, and no isolated group, created the rating system.
If you want to use the chip, but don't like the rating system, you can choose to buy a TV with a customizable V-chip that allows YOU to block channels of your choice. There isn't as much public demand for it, though, as the rating system fits generally enough with the public's ideals for ratings.
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Can anyone awnser my original question?
We did. Several times in fact.
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Make sure you buy one that isn't regulated by the FCC (if you can) and one that doesn't have any government restrictions on it (if you can).

Right...time for some coffee...It's too fk'n early for writing essays on social-governmental relations...and it's DEFINATELY too early to be thinking about the Chinese...
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Old 10-06-2004, 12:44 PM   #18 (permalink)
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ok this is turining into a moral/political/wutever else you want debate. This is probably misl. junk that shouldnt be on the forums. Shoobie is sent you an IM with my AIM name on it, we will settle this there, lol, please contact me there.

Does anyone know the awnser to removing the v-chip?
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LOL! I'm not let'n you run off to some private conversation! LOL! If the mods don't want this here anymore, they can move it to the general chat forum. Anyway, I don't use A-Oh-fk'n-ill, so sorry there.

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For the third time (I think third...might be fourth...) we already told you. If you can't turn it off (either through the box or through the settings of the TV) you're stuck with it. Contact the manufacturer for crying out loud!

No one here is gonna pull out a flip'n circuit schematic for you. Call the people who make the TV! If it can be removed, I'm sure they'll tell you how. If they won't, you're just gonna have to rip it out and see what happens.

The only other thing I can say is to do a search on the Internet for your TV's model and see if anyone else somewhere out on the Net has done it before with your TV.
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If you dont want to take it to aim thats fine... I think its a little annoying not to be able to send messages back and forth which would make it much easier to have a conversation.... how bout this... we will post the conversation on the forums. I guess I'll drop the how to remove the v-chip but im not done with the fcc thing
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