Nvidia Mulls Over Porting PhysX to OpenCL - Page 2 - Techist - Tech Forum

Go Back   Techist - Tech Forum > Computer Hardware > Monitors, Printers and Peripherals
Click Here to Login
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 04-29-2010, 07:59 PM   #11 (permalink)
Lord Techie
 
Slaymate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Florida
Posts: 7,946
Default Re: Nvidia Mulls Over Porting PhysX to OpenCL

Quote:
Originally Posted by Puddle Jumper View Post
It's not necessarily that simple. ATI's and Nvidia's architectures are radically different and what works well on one doesn't necessarily work well on the other.
It is that simple. ATI could work with the F@H Team to develop a ATI Client but they don't, or they won't.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Puddle Jumper
Any gpu, whether it's from ATI, Nvidia, or Intel is capable of supporting physics processing provided the physics engine is implemented using a vendor agnostic api like OpenCl or DirectX compute. The problem is no companies have done that, Nvidia didn't want anyone else to be able to use Physx so they implemented it using a proprietary api, CUDA, that can only run on their cards and then they crippled the cpu version so they could use Physx as a marketing tool. There was a rumor that Havoc was going to be released for OpenCL but when Intel canceled larrabee they no longer had a incentive to move forward with it.
So it's Nvidia and Intel's fault that ATI won't develop it's own Physics Processing Software. Why should Nvidia or Intel be responsible for enabling features for ATI.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Puddle Jumper
Nvidia's dominance of the gpgpu market is little more than marketing. Also for the record I have heard that ATI has the more mature OpenCL compiler.
Nvidia's dominance of the gpgpu market is a direct result of trying, something ATI doesn't want to do. A more mature OpenCL complier. When you have less features to code for it's easy to say more mature, ATI saves more money by not offering advanced software research and development. That's why I haven't bought an ATI product since the X800XT.
__________________

__________________
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Slaymate is offline  
Old 04-29-2010, 08:05 PM   #12 (permalink)
 
patonb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: In Gov't Regulated Cubical
Posts: 9,745
Default Re: Nvidia Mulls Over Porting PhysX to OpenCL

It's not ATI or FaHs fault. Its not getting all the right "other" programs together to allow fah to build a great program.

Also, until the new smp was released, all programs were writen by volunteers, so yha they weren't programed the greatest.. But the new programs are by actual paid programmers.

FaH would love to see ATI perform as well, why would they want to slow half their doners? Plus i think theyre getting tired of the winers.
__________________

__________________
Foldie = i5 6600kMSI Z170A M5 EVGA 970 SC Corsair H100 Corsair hx520 2x8gb GSkill Corsair 650D
Woohoo = L5639 @3.1Ghz EVGA SR-2 gtx 260-216 Hyper 212+ Corsair 1050hx 6x2gb Corsair XMS3 Blackhawk Ulra
Alienware 18 - SLI 770M 4700mq 16Gig

patonb is offline  
Old 04-29-2010, 08:18 PM   #13 (permalink)
The Bulldog
 
zmatt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: In an empty Ramen packet
Posts: 4,660
Default Re: Nvidia Mulls Over Porting PhysX to OpenCL

Quote:
Originally Posted by Slaymate View Post
It is that simple. ATI could work with the F@H Team to develop a ATI Client but they don't, or they won't.
Now I know you don't know what you are talking about. programming on GPU's isn't easy at all, but I'm sure you and your CS degree know that already. ATI was on version 2.0 of its OpenCL SDK when Nvidia was on beta. You know, i remember some time ago when F@H made a different branch for ATI cards and they beat Nvidia ones, a lot of people who invested a lot in nvidia cards got ticked off so they pulled it. Not only that but F@H isn't the be all end all of GPGPU, far from it. You can show in other cases where ATI out performs Nvidia in GPGPU. You cannot take one metric (whose objectivity has been brought into question) and paint it as the case for everything. That is called the fallacy of hasty generalization.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Slaymate View Post
So it's Nvidia and Intel's fault that ATI won't develop it's own Physics Processing Software. Why should Nvidia or Intel be responsible for enabling features for ATI.
ATI demonstrated over a year ago Havok running accelerated on their cards.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Slaymate View Post
Nvidia's dominance of the gpgpu market is a direct result of trying, something ATI doesn't want to do. A more mature OpenCL complier. When you have less features to code for it's easy to say more mature, ATI saves more money by not offering advanced software research and development. That's why I haven't bought an ATI product since the X800XT.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
If only you knew what Nvidia's "trying" got people in a compiler. Nvidia does not have a lead in GPGPU. Physx is poorly adopted and on the verge of dying, ATI has a stronger presence in the TOP500 super computers (a metric that matters) and a far easier to use environment.
__________________


ポップ・タルトが大好きです。
<<<<<<<Rep is always welcome
Ultimate Guitar exercises/ Songs for technique
zmatt is offline  
Old 04-29-2010, 09:01 PM   #14 (permalink)
Lord Techie
 
S0ULphIRE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 8,669
Send a message via MSN to S0ULphIRE
Default Re: Nvidia Mulls Over Porting PhysX to OpenCL

I'd respect what you're saying and maybe you'd actually convince me, but you're coming off like an angry fanboy. Tone it down, fix up your spelling, eat a cookie.
__________________
"As a result of all this hardship, dirt, thirst, and wombats, you would expect Australians to be a sour lot. Instead, they are genial, jolly, cheerful, and always willing to share a kind word with a stranger, unless they are an American." -- Douglas Adams
S0ULphIRE is offline  
Old 04-29-2010, 09:02 PM   #15 (permalink)
The Bulldog
 
zmatt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: In an empty Ramen packet
Posts: 4,660
Default Re: Nvidia Mulls Over Porting PhysX to OpenCL

What spelling mistakes? I spell check my posts.

Sorry if I am coming off as the F word, but I used to think I knew what I was talking about. Now I know for certain what I am talking about and I have very little tolerance for anything else.
__________________


ポップ・タルトが大好きです。
<<<<<<<Rep is always welcome
Ultimate Guitar exercises/ Songs for technique
zmatt is offline  
Old 04-29-2010, 09:07 PM   #16 (permalink)
Lord Techie
 
S0ULphIRE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Australia
Posts: 8,669
Send a message via MSN to S0ULphIRE
Default Re: Nvidia Mulls Over Porting PhysX to OpenCL

dieing? ATI has a 'stringer' presence? Nvidia 'does nto'? lol, you really got into a frenzy towards the end :P
__________________
"As a result of all this hardship, dirt, thirst, and wombats, you would expect Australians to be a sour lot. Instead, they are genial, jolly, cheerful, and always willing to share a kind word with a stranger, unless they are an American." -- Douglas Adams
S0ULphIRE is offline  
Old 04-29-2010, 09:16 PM   #17 (permalink)
Mod Emeritus
 
Puddle Jumper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,286
Default Re: Nvidia Mulls Over Porting PhysX to OpenCL

Yeah it did get a little bit rough there at the end.

Regardless of our preferences on the issue I think we have to take Zmatt's statements as fact since the rest of us don't have any experience with gpgpu development, at least not that I'm aware of.
__________________

AMD Phenom II x4 955 Black Edition : Asus M4A89GTD PRO : Corsair 550VX
G.SKILL Ripjaws 4x2gb DDR3 1600 : MSI Geforce GTX 770 2gb : Antec 300
OCZ Agility 2 60gb SSD (OS) : SanDisk Ultra 120gb SSD (Apps) : Crucial M500 240gb (Steam) : Win 8.1 Pro 64bit
2x Samsung 2494LW & 1x Dell U2312HM Eyefinity

Lenovo ThinkPad X220 : Core i5 2410M : 12.5" 1366x768 IPS LED display : Intel 320 Series 120gb SSD

Samsung Galaxy Note 3 stock 4.3 : Nexus 7 2 stock 4.4

Puddle Jumper is offline  
Old 04-29-2010, 09:24 PM   #18 (permalink)
The Bulldog
 
zmatt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: In an empty Ramen packet
Posts: 4,660
Default Re: Nvidia Mulls Over Porting PhysX to OpenCL

Quote:
Originally Posted by S0ULphIRE View Post
dieing? ATI has a 'stringer' presence? Nvidia 'does nto'? lol, you really got into a frenzy towards the end :P
Odd, spell check didn't pick up any of those. I guess it goes to show not to rely too much on technology.
__________________


ポップ・タルトが大好きです。
<<<<<<<Rep is always welcome
Ultimate Guitar exercises/ Songs for technique
zmatt is offline  
Old 04-30-2010, 08:02 AM   #19 (permalink)
Lord Techie
 
Slaymate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Florida
Posts: 7,946
Default Re: Nvidia Mulls Over Porting PhysX to OpenCL

What I see is Nvidia hating ATI fanboyism.

The fact is ATI has never had good software support for any of their products. You can make all the wild claims you want and continue to support their lack of effort by buying their products. In return you will continue to be second fiddle, good luck with that.
__________________
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Slaymate is offline  
Old 04-30-2010, 08:30 AM   #20 (permalink)
Mod Emeritus
 
Puddle Jumper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,286
Default Re: Nvidia Mulls Over Porting PhysX to OpenCL

Quote:
Originally Posted by Slaymate View Post
What I see is Nvidia hating ATI fanboyism.

The fact is ATI has never had good software support for any of their products. You can make all the wild claims you want and continue to support their lack of effort by buying their products. In return you will continue to be second fiddle, good luck with that.
So the fact that he actually has experience with gpgpu development is completely irrelevant to a discussion about gpgpu?
__________________

__________________

AMD Phenom II x4 955 Black Edition : Asus M4A89GTD PRO : Corsair 550VX
G.SKILL Ripjaws 4x2gb DDR3 1600 : MSI Geforce GTX 770 2gb : Antec 300
OCZ Agility 2 60gb SSD (OS) : SanDisk Ultra 120gb SSD (Apps) : Crucial M500 240gb (Steam) : Win 8.1 Pro 64bit
2x Samsung 2494LW & 1x Dell U2312HM Eyefinity

Lenovo ThinkPad X220 : Core i5 2410M : 12.5" 1366x768 IPS LED display : Intel 320 Series 120gb SSD

Samsung Galaxy Note 3 stock 4.3 : Nexus 7 2 stock 4.4

Puddle Jumper is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
NVIDIA Disables PhysX When ATI Card is Present Osiris Monitors, Printers and Peripherals 3 10-01-2009 01:29 AM
NVIDIA Releases OpenCL 1.0 Conformant Drivers for XP and Linux Osiris Monitors, Printers and Peripherals 0 06-17-2009 12:54 PM
EA, Take-Two Announce Support for NVIDIA PhysX maroon1 PC Gaming 20 12-17-2008 01:26 AM
Nvidia snaps up PhysX with Ageia buy Harper Polls 6 02-19-2008 07:30 AM
Nvidia 8 series to get PhysX support via download! Grievearz New Systems | Building and Buying 26 02-16-2008 08:05 PM



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:54 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.