I know they are outdated. And I know they are crap. At the moment I am very poor, and cannot afford much. I have the 5600 in my computer right now, and my buddy will sell me his old 9800 on the relatively cheap. I dont know if I'm going to get it though. My other friend has the GeForce 6200 128mb DDR3 and it is really nice. I want to get it, and OC it a whole lot. It's an XFX, and it wasnt DOA, so I am very please with it's performance, even though it is hers. Runs Doom 3 great.