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Old 01-15-2005, 12:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I was thinking of using a 2.8ghz celeron processor, but after reading around on here, I don't think that's such a good idea. How's this processor? http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-486&depa=1 According to the reviews, it's excellent, and even out-performs a p4 at 3ghz. Why would it be so much better at 2ghz? Why are 64-bit processors so much better than 32-bit ones? If someone could explain this, that'd be great. I'll post the rest of the computer parts once I get some replies.
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Old 01-15-2005, 01:17 PM   #2 (permalink)
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dont get a celeron they are crap for games and pretty much anything else. The amd64 you picked out is good, amd64's are probaly the best CPU for gaming as far as i know.

The 2ghz clock rate means nothing anymore, amd cpu's are made differently so they dont need such a high clock rate to acheive the same performance as another cpu.

64bit cpu's arent that much better than 32 bit at the moment as not much 64bit software is available. But it will be in the future so it will save you having to upgrade to 64bit when it does arrive.
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Yeah, as Chris pointed out already Celerons are not very good gaming proccesors and it's a smart decision to stay away from them.

AMD cores can perform more clock cycles than Intel cores, therefore a lower clocked AMD will be able to run just as well if not better than a much higher clocked Intel Core.

The Athlon 64 proccesors are quite a large leap in CPU architechture, they have the memory controller built into them and can achieve transfer rates of up to 2000mb/s. They also tend to run cooler than Intel cores.
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if your wanting to keep ur price down i wud really recommend looking at a mobile amd and overclocking it and the money u save spendin on a better graphics card ur lookin at a 6600GT at least for a decent gaming rig

edit: try http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-401&depa=1 and clock it to around 2.5gig
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the xp2500 is probably the best budget gaming processor, and OC'ed it can easily run games at 3200+ speeds
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Yuck, dont get the Athlon XP, that AMD64 3000 is dirt cheap. I dont know how old your are, so if your younger money is hard to get. School/job takes alot of work. Just stay with that 3000, just to remind you, the 3000 really run at 1.8ghz.

Like i said, i dont know your money issues, but i dont recommend the 3000 personally. If you can manage to get a 3200 socket 939, it would be alot better. The 3200 runs at 2.0ghz, i wouldent get any AMD64 that runs under 2.0ghz.

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-500&depa=1

For that question you had, "Why are 64bit processors better then 32bit processors". Heres a simple way of understanding it. Would you rather have a 128bit video card or a 256bit video card..? In a few years 512bit video cards will be released, then a few years after that 1024bit video cards will come out. Processors work the same way. 64Bit is the near future of processors.

But, nothing is compatible with 64bit processors yet. But they also work as 32bit processors, witch enables them to work with present software.
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Thanks for all the ideas. Unfortunately, Codeine, I'm tight on money now (I'm 15 and I don't have a job as of yet), so no $197 cpu :-/. I'd like to keep it as inexpensive as possible, so now I'm thinking about these processors: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-401&depa=1 and http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...03-452&depa=1. What do you think? I'm leaning towards the second one even though it's more expensive because I think it'll perform better and I'll have less of a need to upgrade (aka I can put it off longer ).
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Make sure to pair that processor up with a DFI Lanparty NF3 250GB motherboard. It is the best Socket 754 motherboard out there and it is the best overclocker. I would say drop the 2800+ and the 2500+ (AXP). Stick with that Socket 754 AMD AThlon 64 3000+ Like above, it is dirt cheap! Pair it with the DFI Lanparty NF3 250GB and an eVGA GeForce 6600GT on AGP...and you are set.
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I do like the 3000 processor (especially since I'll have no need to upgrade for a long time), but the 250gb mobo is pushing the cost too high. Tell me what you think of these specs:
mobo - $59 - http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...138-242&depa=1
cpu - $146 - http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-486&depa=1
ram - $61 - http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...223-009&depa=1
hdd - $46 - http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...140-133&depa=1
optical drive - $31 - http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...190-002&depa=1
case - $28 - http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...147-007&depa=1
led fan - $6 - http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...999-114&depa=0
total - $377
Since I don't have a lot of money right now, I'm just getting a mobo w/onboard video, and then upgrading with a video card once I get some more money. Other than the video card, I shouldn't really have to upgrade for quite a while . What do you guys think? Thanks in advance.
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I don't like it one bit...here is what is wrong with it...

Motherboard: microATX, bad brand, K8M800 chipset limiting perfomrance
RAM: Rosewill unknown brand, 512MB for gaming is cutting it kind of close
HDD: very small HDD, you can get an 80GB on SATA for $60
Optical: Rosewill again, bad brand, CD-RW, wheres the DVD + or - or +/- RW
Case: very cheap case and the 400 PSU stock would barely get you trhough
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