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Old 09-06-2004, 05:21 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Old 09-06-2004, 05:23 PM   #12 (permalink)
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i would go for AMD because you will have an AMD mobo and you can upgrade yer CPU in the future
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Old 09-06-2004, 05:26 PM   #13 (permalink)
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psht...riiiiight....Intel has gotta compare a 3.4GHz chip to an AMD 2.2GHz......see the difference there? If AMD had created a chip to run at speeds of 3.4GHz like they are now..intel would have to build a freakin 6GHz chip just to keep up. AMD's can do more per instruction than Intels...Kinda sad that this 2.2GHz 3200+ is BARELY outperformed by a 2.5GHz intel....they gotta go up 1.2GHz higher just to say 'Hey look we beat em!' but yeah a 64 would just own intel into the ground. the 35w 2400+ XP-M people have gotten to 2.5-2.6 on air and if youve got really good cooling you can get it up to 2.8. One dude had his up to 3.1GHz!! But yeah he had a damn near vapochill setup. Anyway, I would say the best option is a 35w 2400+XP-M cooler temps...up until you start overclocking....already unlocked....you can easily get it to be comparable with that 2.8c

DON"T GO INTEL DAMNIT!!! COME BACK TO THE LIGHT!!! NOOOOOOOOOOO!

EDIT: ....yeah not too mention this was written over a year ago
You have to remember, it's about the Price/performance ratio of the chips. The XP 3200+ and the 2.8c are the same price, yet the 2.8c performs better.
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http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-391&depa=0
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http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...116-162&depa=0

EDIT: The article i posted was to show you the difference between a 2.8C and a XP 3200+.
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yeah or you could do like I said and pay $89 for the 35w 2400+ XP-M and overclock it to 3200+ speeds and beyond.....well then you're paying HALF as much as that 2.8c intel chip and getting same speeds.....

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-439&depa=1

or hell even get the OEM 2500+ XP Barton core for $79 chip and overclock THAT to 3200+ speeds and beyond.

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-378&depa=1

or if you want your warrenty spend $92 and get the retail of 2500+ and OC it

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-379&depa=1

MY main point is...is that Gigahertz is no longer a method of validating the 'greatness' of a chip...hence why Intel charges so damn much and has to exclaim like OOOH LOOK WE GOT 3.4GHz! Its more of a marketing ploy.....it used to be that gigahertz determined how fast your system was, but now its one part of many.....like I said in my first damn post.....35w 2400+ XP-M or 2500+ XP....not only are you gonna pay half as much but you'll get speeds damn near 2.8GHz, plus like I said AMD can do more per instruction that intel..again hence why they gotta balloon up their ads with 3.4GHZ!!!!!! WOWWWWW!!!!!

EDIT: Yeah the 2.8 barely outperforms the 3200+ not to mention its got 600MHz over it......Intel can never compare an AMD together at the same MHz cause AMD would smother Intel and people would be looking at intel like 'oooh well....I thought they were better?' thats the whole point of the XP series is that its roughly the equivelant of a 3.2GHz intel although yeah obviously its not QUITE that, but I would only attribute that to a higher FSB and RAM.
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yeah i know that. I would get the 2500+ with the NF7-S BUT i already have the P4 motherboard....so it'll actually be the same price. get it?? so for the P4, i only have to pay for the processor, but for the AMD, i have to pay for the Motherboard and the processor... which equals the same price
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xxkrnxstylezxx, I have a Prescott (I think; don't know where it says), and the highest it ever runs is like 49 C, of couse it's practically idle 'cause I'm STILL WATINING FOR MY OS!!!!!!
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oo no prescott for me...so i think the 2.8ghz would be the best...i think i'll get that....when would be the best time to buy it?? would newegg or some other stores sell computer components cheaper during Thanksgiving?? or even Christmas (dunno if i can wait that long)
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yeah or you could do like I said and pay $89 for the 35w 2400+ XP-M and overclock it to 3200+ speeds and beyond.....well then you're paying HALF as much as that 2.8c intel chip and getting same speeds.....

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-439&depa=1

or hell even get the OEM 2500+ XP Barton core for $79 chip and overclock THAT to 3200+ speeds and beyond.

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-378&depa=1

or if you want your warrenty spend $92 and get the retail of 2500+ and OC it

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-379&depa=1

MY main point is...is that Gigahertz is no longer a method of validating the 'greatness' of a chip...hence why Intel charges so damn much and has to exclaim like OOOH LOOK WE GOT 3.4GHz! Its more of a marketing ploy.....it used to be that gigahertz determined how fast your system was, but now its one part of many.....like I said in my first damn post.....35w 2400+ XP-M or 2500+ XP....not only are you gonna pay half as much but you'll get speeds damn near 2.8GHz, plus like I said AMD can do more per instruction that intel..again hence why they gotta balloon up their ads with 3.4GHZ!!!!!! WOWWWWW!!!!!

EDIT: Yeah the 2.8 barely outperforms the 3200+ not to mention its got 600MHz over it......Intel can never compare an AMD together at the same MHz cause AMD would smother Intel and people would be looking at intel like 'oooh well....I thought they were better?' thats the whole point of the XP series is that its roughly the equivelant of a 3.2GHz intel although yeah obviously its not QUITE that, but I would only attribute that to a higher FSB and RAM.
It's about the price/performance these days. Sure the Athlon XP have potentiol, but it wasn't even able to beat the Northwood. Thats why AMD abandon it all together and made way for the Sempron and Athlon 64.
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oo no prescott for me...so i think the 2.8ghz would be the best...i think i'll get that....when would be the best time to buy it?? would newegg or some other stores sell computer components cheaper during Thanksgiving?? or even Christmas (dunno if i can wait that long)
If you're going intel, get the 2.8c.
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yeah i know that. I would get the 2500+ with the NF7-S BUT i already have the P4 motherboard....so it'll actually be the same price. get it?? so for the P4, i only have to pay for the processor, but for the AMD, i have to pay for the Motherboard and the processor... which equals the same price
Snap....didn't realize you already had the P4 board =/...yeah well in YOUR case then yeah might as well just get the P4 chip.

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It's about the price/performance these days. Sure the Athlon XP have potentiol, but it wasn't even able to beat the Northwood. Thats why AMD abandon it all together and made way for the Sempron and Athlon 64.
......yeah right man......look at those tests......the 3200+ performed well and even OUTPERFORMED the 2.8 on the quake 3 arena demo NV15demo at the bottom...I've never followed intel so I don't know which one the northwood is...but its the simple fact you get more performance out of the AMD chips per hertz than you do with Intel. Again the AMD had lower MHz but could still stand up to the competition. They didn't 'abandon' the XP series...its the simple fact it was time to make way for a new architecture and get the best performance out of 2GHz opposed to stupid *** intel having to go to the market and say 'Well.....ummm...their 2GHz is a lower number than our 4GHz!' but a 2GHz 64 would wipe the street clean with a 4GHz pentium. Simple as that.
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