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Old 10-07-2010, 10:02 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi everyone, new here to ask for some advice.

My current specs...
Striker II Extreme motherboard
Intel C2D e6750 2.66GHz running @ 3.10GHz
2 x 2GB DDR3 Corsair RAM
2 x nVidia 8600GT XXX XFX graphics in SLi
2 x Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 500GB HDD
OCZ GameXstream 600W PSU

For power purposes I also have:
Thermaltake Flower CPU fan
DVDRW optical drive
Floppy drive
Linksys Wireless G PCI card
Total of 5 x 80mm fans with LED and 1 x 200mm fan without LED

Everything is around 2 years old, apart from the motherboard and RAM, which are about 1.

Recently, I got 2 used eVga 8800GTX KO ACS3 nVidia cards from eBay. I know, sounds dodgy but bear with me. So my aim was to swap out the 8600s for the 8800s.

Did it and fine, not a problem - system was grand. But, last night I was playing some Supreme Commander, maxed settings, and after about 2 hours the PC just powered off. Not a restart or a blue screen, just off. Now, I had SpeedFan logging (I often build PCs and temperatures, especially on these big 8800GTXs, is something I watch) and the temperatures seem fine, the processor is around 35 idle 42 under load, and the GPUs are 60/50 idle, 70/60 under load (primary card / secondary card).

I can replicate the power down with FurMark, where the power down occurs in about 2 seconds. Using a measuring power plug, I read about 320W idle. Unfortunately the refresh rate on the power plug isn't great and all I can see when I run FurMark is a spike to about 480W before the PC shuts down.

I'm going to try with only one card in later but for now I wanted your opinions - power issue right? A shut down (rather than a blue screen or reboot) would only be caused by either heat or power, am I correct? So, if confidence is high that heat is not an issue, then that only leaves power.

The OCZ 600W PSU has been solid but it is 2+ years old... capacitor aging maybe putting me just under at peak usage?

Just curious because if the GPUs are damaged then I need to return them, but otherwise I'll just buy a bigger PSU.

Really appreciate the help, thanks.
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hey!

In My opínion you are just asking too much of a 600 Watts PSU, with two years of ussage for two monster cards...

in my guess yes, it's a Psu problem, i just got an OCZ Fatality 750 Watts.. before this PSU i nvere even thought about using SLI

maybe im being a little ignorant, but in my opinion with such a build you have, you're overwhelming the PSU

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It sounds like a power supply but it could be a problem with the power circuitry on the mobo or one of the cards. Download Open Hardware Monitor, it shows all kinds of Voltage and Temperature readings

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IIRC, 2 x 8800ghtx's can easily be used by a 600W.

I suspect there is overheating. Get and run HWMonitor, give us a screenshot.
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OK so I tried each card individually and there isn't a problem. They run fine on FurMark. Temperatures really aren't going at all high, even when only one is in, at full 100% load they aren't going high into 70s. As for when both are running, well I can't get you a screenshot as it dies in 2 seconds of FurMark. I got the eVGA Precision software, which measures and shows GPU load, and allows fan speed overrides. Even turning up the fans to 100% did nothing, and the power dies as soon as load approaches 100%.

When running one card only, my power meter reads ~210W at idle (0-2% GPU utilisation). Under 100% GPU utilization FurMark, this rises to ~350W. When running both cards I have ~300W idle. Following the math - 100% on one card is increase of 140W meaning 100% on two is increase of 280W, meaning a peak utilisation of 580W, right on the cusp. Factor in the age... you get the impression I am getting I think.

I've ordered a CoolerMaster M850 Silent Pro as it is SLi certified for dual GTX 470 let alone two 8800GTX. Until that arrives, I will keep things relaxed - I mean you might be right MindoverMaster but even before buying I reckoned I would be tight on the power - and like I say, the PSU is 2-3 years old and PSUs do age. Hopefully it will solve the problem, and I will let you know - but I am keen to hear any more advice or insight, even disagreement with my assessment!
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Your only telling us what you want to tell us. Post a screenshot of Open Hardware Monitor and let us see the rest of the info.
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OK I will when I get home later, I'm at work atm so can't right now. I had been running it and that's where I took those temperatures from in my post above, but how does it make a difference if I tell you or post a screenshot? I can't screenshot the temps at the crash. And I've told you all the idle temps.
At idle, my processor cores according to HWMonitor (from memory) are Core 0: 41 and Core 1: 40. Board reads the processor temperature as something like 35. GPU 0: 61 and GPU 1: 54. I have three thermocouples, one near my RAM and one at each of the GPUs, but they aren't thermally bonded to anything so aren't much use. As for NB / SB temperatures I can't recall but they were <50. The point I'm making is, I'm not inexperienced with builds and hardware. I know an excessive temperature when I see one. And I don't see any excessive temperatures. Which would suggest bad card or power. Since each card on their own passes 30 minutes of FurMark without a peep, there isn't a problem with the cards. So when all else is eliminated, that leaves only power.

I'll post later with the screenshot. Thanks for the continued advice.
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The screen of hardcware monitoir will show your volts as well as temps on all cores, gpus and all that jazzzzzzz.

I screen is easier than writing 15 values.
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Open Hardware Monitor shows us all kinds of information about your whole system

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I don't usually used Open Hardware Monitor as it doesn't read a load of my voltages for whatever reason, normally I use HWMonitor, so I include both to keep people happy



Before anybody says "Look at that 80C on CPU and Mainboard!!!" I will point out that a Google search will show that, in fact, this is due to the fact that the Striker II Extreme doesn't use these sensors (Tcase) and HWMonitor doesn't handle this well.
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