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Old 03-18-2006, 09:37 PM   #11 (permalink)
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No, not anymore. Since the introduction of the Yonah, they have a bit of an advantage over AMD in the portable market. Not to mention, the Pentium M is still insanely great.
Yea, AMD has yet to gain some ground in the mobile department IMO.

Conroe may prove to be difficult for AMD too.
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yeah with intel new cores this year they have realy proven that they can match AMD, just cant wait until conroe.
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If you are looking for an idea of what the conroe is going to be capable of, look into the Yonah. Just imagine a Yonah, but with higher clock speeds, and 14 pipelines.
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AMD doesn realy need to win in the mobile sector IMO. If intel thinks they will make up for their years of sucking with 1 release, they have another thing coming. AMD will not go without a fight.
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AMD doesn realy need to win in the mobile sector IMO. If intel thinks they will make up for their years of sucking with 1 release, they have another thing coming. AMD will not go without a fight.
Years of sucking? That's a pretty bold comment. I don't mean to pick a fight or anything, but with a comment like that you should really back that up.
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i mean that in regards to when it is compared to AMD. and how its prices are higher than the way better AMD counterparts. The only reason they are richer is because they are teamed up with dell and compaq, so they pray on the ignorant. If AMD had same influence over everyone else. AMD would win without a doubt. I really dont like it.

BUT that is MO
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Ok, difference between Intel and AMD;

Basically, AMD Athlon 64s are for gaming, AMD Athlon 64 X2s are for everything else, and Intel Pentium 4s are for video/audio encoding.

Intel has the Pentium 4s which have really high clockspeeds. Compared to Intel, AMD has really low clockspeeds. But AMD does more with what speed they have than Intel. A 1.0GHz Pentium 4 is like a .63GHz Athlon 64. That means that a 2.0GHz AMD Athlon 64 will perform the same as a 3.2GHz Intel Pentium 4. Thats basically what most people don't know about AMD.

Processors have pipelines. Those pipelines have stages. An instruction, sent through that pipeline, has to go through each stage before it's complete. The more the stages, the worse. But you can't have too few stages either. Now, an Intel Pentium 4 (based on the Netburst architecture) has 34 stages in it's pipeline. Thats horrible. Comparitively, a Athlon 64 has 12 stages in it's pipeline. That doesn't mean that the Athlon 64 is 3x faster than the Pentium 4, but it IS faster. Because the pipeline is so long in a Pentium 4, they need to make their processors really fast to get anything done. Thats where the 3.8GHz clockspeeds come in.

AMD isn't some third-party, underground kind of company. Its a perfectly legitimate company. Think Ferrari and Porsche, ATi and Nvidia, Michael Jackson and Unknown Envy. Same basic principle. Except, Intel is a lot bigger than AMD. AMD only has like 17% of the market. But you know what the funny thing is? AMD has stronger, and better, processors than Intel.

But that was all the boring stuff. AMD is definately better at gaming. A Athlon 64 3200+ (2.0GHz) may be the same as a Pentium 4 3.2GHz, but thats only in normal tasks. In games, AMD is far and away, the best. An Athlon 64 3200+ (2.0GHz) will probably beat a 3.6GHz Pentium 4 in most games. In Battlefield 2, a Athlon 64 3200+ beats a 3.8GHz Pentium 4.

Intel is often more expensive than AMD. Pentium 4s also run REALLY hot compared to Athlon 64s. And Athlon 64s overclock farther, generally, as far as home overclocking goes.

Intel is putting out the Conroe that you heard about before, and Conroe has a 14-stage pipeline so if you learned anything from this post, you'll know that it'll be good. Thing is that Conroe's 4-issue Core makes it perform much better than the Athlon 64. So a 2.0GHz Conroe = 2.4Ghz Athlon 64 (atleast thats what Intel claims, and a recent benchmark at IDF more than proved that).

If building a PC anytime before Q4 of this year, go with AMD.
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So instead of a 64 x2 I should just stick with a plain 64 since this will be a strictly gaming pc?
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When Dual Cores start to be used in games, then Dual Cores will start destroying anything out there. The slowest AMD Dual Cores will be beating the fastest AMD single cores. The first Dual Core game coming out is Elder Scrolls: Oblivion, March 20th, but the games after that will be quite a while. Think 3-4 years for a popular Dual Core game.
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Before AMD took a small hold on the market with the K6 intel had dominated the market moreso than microsoft had done with the OS market. When the K6 processors came out they were on par with the intel chip but alot cheaper. Intel ignored this and assumed it was just another small one trying to get a piece. Another cyrix 686 persay and they were wrong. The public caught on that they could get the same cpu cheaper and pc makers saw a comparable chip for cheaper meaning they could sell something cheaper and sell more of them. The battle of the cheapest home pc was on. In a few years AMD became a force to reckoned with. Im not sure when but there was a time that AMD was able to overtake intel in the prebuilt pc market.

The gamer who built his comp was pleased with AMD because he/she could get awesome performance with less money. Intel was still making the all around chip for everyone and keeping their hold on the business and average pc used. AMD saw the large high end gaming market and it seems decided to throw their hat in and market their stuff to those that buil their own pc's. AMD now have their loyal followers because they see it as a company that wants to market itself to the ever growing mod/oc/high end markets. The same might be able to be said about the ATI v Nvidia debate. ATI had a long time foothold on the market but they under estimated their competition and no longer reigns supreme. Just my humble opinion
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