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Old 09-16-2015, 07:06 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Thanks for the reply, carnage.


What exactly is the disadvantage of 1600x900 when compared against 1920x1080? I keep hearing people talk about this like it's a bad thing to have 1600x900.

No real disadvantage besides having a scaled down image when you play 1080p or higher content.


As for RAM, I'm doing basically what most do; surfing, email, Youtube, etc.. Not sure if anything lower than 8GB RAM would be a mistake.

You'd be surprised. In most laptops you can upgrade, but why bother when you're buying now?


How long, exactly, can a person keep one laptop/pc and upgrading it before they eventually have to buy a new one? I once heard that anything beyond 5 years is an old man way past his prime, and anything beyond 10 years is an ancient antique and nothing more... even if still usable.

My current CPU is 4 years old and I have no intentions of upgrading anytime soon unless something breaks, simply because I have the best of the best from 2011. In a laptop case, mobile chips are typically always slower than desktop. 75% of the i7 mobile chips are dual core with HT, where as all mainstream desktop i7s are quad, and the HEDT i7s are 6 and 8 core. More cores doesn't always mean more performance, but better multitasking...usually. Depends on the scenario. A desktop from 5 years ago would still do internet and practically anything easily depending on the hardware in question and could be easily upgraded to accommodate newer standards like an SSD. It's why for standard use I typically always try to lean users towards a desktop. Pre-built or otherwise.


What Anti-virus do you recommend? I've heard of Avast, AVG, Bit something, etc., etc..

For a 6 month scan on my server I install Avast but a lot of people here have had good luck with Avira and AVG as well. Better browsing habits and preventative measure work better usually anyways. You also want to keep the free copy of Malwarebytes installed.
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So, basically, a half-decent GPU should be good? I do plan to watch videos online a lot from places like Youtube, but also from more system-demanding places. For whatever reason, some sites make it harder to watch videos on;takes longer to load, and also makes this revving sound on the PC, which isn't good.

In a laptop with your budget you're looking at an IGP. A modern i5 or i7 (4th or 5th gen) will have a decent enough IGP to playack and handle up to 4k content. That should do fine for the next 5 or so years.

I know I should do something, like clear the temporary files, defrag, or whatever. I'm gonna learn how all this works with the new comp, though, so no worries there... yet.

Why wait? Learn it all now before you get your new machine so you can keep it fresh longer.

P.S. What is 4K? Do we use it these days? Back in, like, 2006 ish the only thing I had to worry about was 1080p for bigger screens.

4k is an abbreviation to 3840x2160 resolution like saying "Full HD" for 1080p. It's also called UHD as well. It's basically 4x the resolution of 1080p which is why people call it 4k, also cinematic UHD is 4096x2160 so 4k comes from that too. 1080p wasn't really relevant until 2009 or later when it became cheaper for the masses and in 4 years time I expect 4k to be the norm like 1080p is now. Currently there isn't much 4k content around so it's not that big of a deal, but UHD Blu Ray players are announced and when they become cheap enough like 4k screens we'll see a massive influx in mainstream 4k adoption.
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Old 09-16-2015, 07:33 PM   #12 (permalink)
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with laptops intergraded graphics come in all flavors.

I will say this intergraded graphics share ram with your machine, so lets say you have 8gigs, your graphics will use a good chunk of your ram.
I like the AMD APU processors, they use less then intel or integraded graphics. they still share ram of your laptop but not *** much draw on aviable ram when doing graphic intence items. such as facebook. they also last longer. when buying a laptop or desk top always research the graphics, the quality and any issues of ram. some people buy 800$ laptops and have issues steaming netflix.
Even if you dont play games, getitng good graphics chip weather its a APU, dedicated, or integraded chip set look in to your best option.

I feel there more important making a laptop choice versus a desktop for in a desktop you can always upgrade to a graphics card. where as in a laptop you are stuck with the what you buy, enless you get a dedicated graphics card. then you can upgrade but your choices are limited on what laptop you choose.
I have a HP pavilion g6 with a amd apu a6-4400 2.7Ghz over clocks 3.2Ghz as needed) with radeon 7520G, 8G ddr3 1600, 10k 500 Gig Mechincal HDD.
I can do a lot from playing videogames like daylight on high settings to running three Virtual machines ( havent needed to push any more ) and I find little to no problems except for my own abuse on the operating system. ( most of my errors are form trying to push my OS and play with OS enhancements)
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On most all modern laptops you can dictate how much VRAM the IGP gets. For a regular user the GPU really isn't much of an issue until they get into bigger things like gaming, 4k, or multiple high res monitors. For a single 1080p setup something like the HD4600 or 4400 is perfect. A newer laptop will come with a 5000 series IGP which is even better. I personally don't recommend an APU due to power draw as the point of portability is battery life. Remember, hardware decoding for video isn't 100% GPU and a good chunk is still done on the CPU. In the case of streaming, it could be any factor from processor, GPU, or simply network/ISP speed. With a 4th gen i5 rocking an HD4400 I can play any form of 1080p or 4k video easily. In the case of the OP, he should be getting a 4th gen like this or a 5th gen which definitely can easily handle 4k video content. So having a dedicated GPU really isn't necessary unless something like 8k video takes off tomorrow, which we all know isn't going to happen.

So, not saying I completely disagree with you, just saying in this use case it isn't necessary at all. I mean, I'm posting from an HP 9480m right now and do all my Youtubing and internet from this laptop at home. It handles anything.
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Thanks for getting back to me, Mguire.

What do you mean about the laptop case being slower than desktop?

What are mobile chips?

Why do you do 6 month scans? Don't you always have some kind of security on at all times? And what do you mean by scanning the server?

What's Malwarebytes?

What's IGP... some kind of GPU brand?

What if I don't get something that's compatible with 4K, or has 4K... am I missing out in the future, or even the now?
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with laptops intergraded graphics come in all flavors.

I will say this intergraded graphics share ram with your machine, so lets say you have 8gigs, your graphics will use a good chunk of your ram.
I like the AMD APU processors, they use less then intel or integraded graphics. they still share ram of your laptop but not *** much draw on aviable ram when doing graphic intence items. such as facebook. they also last longer. when buying a laptop or desk top always research the graphics, the quality and any issues of ram. some people buy 800$ laptops and have issues steaming netflix.
Even if you dont play games, getitng good graphics chip weather its a APU, dedicated, or integraded chip set look in to your best option.

I feel there more important making a laptop choice versus a desktop for in a desktop you can always upgrade to a graphics card. where as in a laptop you are stuck with the what you buy, enless you get a dedicated graphics card. then you can upgrade but your choices are limited on what laptop you choose.
I have a HP pavilion g6 with a amd apu a6-4400 2.7Ghz over clocks 3.2Ghz as needed) with radeon 7520G, 8G ddr3 1600, 10k 500 Gig Mechincal HDD.
I can do a lot from playing videogames like daylight on high settings to running three Virtual machines ( havent needed to push any more ) and I find little to no problems except for my own abuse on the operating system. ( most of my errors are form trying to push my OS and play with OS enhancements)
I think I get it now about the GPU... it takes up RAM, so I gotta get a good amount of RAM for sites with lots of images/graphics? But I also need a good GPU to make things run properly, right?

So, the people having issues with different things graphic-related (Netflix, facebook, etc.) with expensive laptops are most likely the people who didn't look into graphics chips hard enough?

What do you use virtual machines for? If I've got this right, it's like opening up another operating system within an operating system... what's the need for that? compatibility with older products or older gen games?
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Thanks for getting back to me, Mguire.

What do you mean about the laptop case being slower than desktop?

Figure of speech, as in the case of laptop hardware it is inherently slower than desktop hardware.

What are mobile chips?
Laptops and other mobile devices have different types of hardware. For instance a laptop Core i7 is not the same as a desktop i7 (only different in very few cases <--- figure of speech again, not literal case). Mobile chips (be it GPU or CPU) use less power and are typically slower because of this. This is why laptops generally don't last as long performance wise as a desktop.

Why do you do 6 month scans? Don't you always have some kind of security on at all times? And what do you mean by scanning the server?
I have a server with over 8TB of storage, utilizing about half of that. I don't run AV constantly because it's a waste of resources. I haven't had a virus or "nasty" in almost (or over?) a decade so I don't want to waste resources with a useless program running in the background. However, since anything can happen and I have people that download files and access my server on a consistent basis I run a scan every 6 months to be sure. This is a local server/machine I have running on my network.

What's Malwarebytes?
It's a program that specifically scans for malware and spyware, it's one of if not the best right now.

What's IGP... some kind of GPU brand?
IGP = Integrated Graphics Processor. This is a graphics chip integrated into the CPU. They are usually pretty slow, but have gotten much better in the last 3 years. An i5 that has an HD4400, the HD4400 would be an IGP.

What if I don't get something that's compatible with 4K, or has 4K... am I missing out in the future, or even the now?
If you get a machine now it'll be able to handle 4k content. Whether or not you watch at 4k depends on if you have a 4k screen. It's the same as 1080p.
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I think I get it now about the GPU... it takes up RAM, so I gotta get a good amount of RAM for sites with lots of images/graphics? But I also need a good GPU to make things run properly, right?
Dedicated GPUs don't take up system RAM. They have their own RAM subsystem typically called VRAM. An IGP like I explained earlier uses system RAM as video RAM. For instance, my laptop has 512MB dedicated for the IGP so my system has 7.5GB of RAM left to utilize for tasks in Windows. We all say 8GB because it's the standard common size to have these days for anything from gaming to regular usage.

So, the people having issues with different things graphic-related (Netflix, facebook, etc.) with expensive laptops are most likely the people who didn't look into graphics chips hard enough?
As I explained before, video playback isn't 100% dependent on GPU. Actually, 75% of the time when somebody has an issue it's caused by network or internet speed rather than a hardware issue. I guarantee you my Amazon FireTV my son uses on the weekends has nowhere near the graphics horsepower as most of the laptops on the market (or even most phones/tablets) but it plays 1080p content perfectly fine.

What do you use virtual machines for? If I've got this right, it's like opening up another operating system within an operating system... what's the need for that? compatibility with older products or older gen games?

A VM or virtual machine is running an OS inside a host OS. You utilize a proram, for instance VMWare, and can dedicate a portion of your resources (CPU, RAM, and HDD) to allocate to the client OS. There are multitudes of ways to utilize something like this. More than likely you'll probably never need to use a VM.
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Right... I get the whole 'case' thing now... I'm such a fool. I was thinking the literal case. But, now that that's out the way, why is it that laptop hardware is slower than desktop hardware?

So mobile chips have nothing to do with mobile phones? I was waaaaay off. So... mobile chips are things like CPU, GPU?

How is it that mobile chips use less power and are typically slower? How does power relate to speed?

How do laptops not last as long as desktops performance-wise?

How are the Core I7s different from laptop to desktop? If it's too technical to explain, never mind.

So, a server is basically just a computer or node of some sort? And you scan to make sure you don't have any infections? How is it you avoid all the nasties? See, my plan is to only use my laptop for seemingly safe places, like official sites.

Is it possible to get rid of viruses already on a computer? I heard there're some that are invisible, if you like, to scanners, etc..

What about those guys who hack... how do you avoid them? Don't you need some kind of security active at all times for that?

Malwarebytes... is it free or paid for?

So IGPs and dedicated GPUs are different? So, IGPs are the ones that need RAM, while dedicated GPUs have their own little subsystem VRAM for this... but still causes overheating if the motherboard isn't equipped with the correct heat-sinks, fans, PSU, etc.? That last part was me just thinking aloud, really. I know all that heat-sinks stuff is probably irrelevant, here, for just a simple laptop... or should I be worrying about that stuff?
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Something else I've been meaning to ask:


Someone said to me they'd only ever recommend Lenovo or ASUS for laptop brands... said something about most other brands/manufacturers being way overpriced, not the best quality and use only proprietary connectors/parts, which makes the repair bills way more than they should be, and upgrading nearly impossible. This makes me wary of anything besides ASUS and Lenovo. What do you guys think? And what are proprietary connectors/parts?
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Right... I get the whole 'case' thing now... I'm such a fool. I was thinking the literal case. But, now that that's out the way, why is it that laptop hardware is slower than desktop hardware?
See below.

So mobile chips have nothing to do with mobile phones? I was waaaaay off. So... mobile chips are things like CPU, GPU?
See below.

How is it that mobile chips use less power and are typically slower? How does power relate to speed?
A mobile chip is defined by a device that is portable, and therefore mobile. A phone, tablet, laptop, phablet, whatever all utilize a mobile chip of some sort. A mobile chip in short and simple definition is a chip that is designed for portable devices using a battery for power and are designed for less heat. For instance, most phones use some sort of ARM based architecture chip which are extremely low power and high efficiency for long lasting performance. I sound like a damn deodorant commercial LOL. Because of this limitation a mobile chip is designed to utilize a certain power envelope and not go over that. Due to lower power constraints a mobile chip can't perform as high as a chip that has a constant power source. Heat plays a big role as well, as we all know phones and laptops do not have the cooling capacity as say a desktop computer. To retain power usage and heat development the speed of a chip is reduced quite a bit to maintain this. The less speed, less heat, less power usage. The same can be said for any dedicated GPU.

How do laptops not last as long as desktops performance-wise?
As mentioned above, since a mobile chip can't perform at the same speed as a desktop chip it will not seem as fast or capable as a desktop chip. Because of this people tend to upgrade mobile devices quicker than stationary desktops. The same can be said for GPUs.


How are the Core I7s different from laptop to desktop? If it's too technical to explain, never mind.
The best way I can put this is let's take the desktop Core i5 4690k and and the Core i5 4310u in my current laptop. Both running the same gen architecture (4th gen Haswell). The 4690k runs at 3.5GHz with a higher turbo clock, and has a TDP (Thermal Design Power) of 88W. That means under normal operation this chip is consuming and dissipating 88W give or take of power. 88W constant is a massive drain for batteries, and laptop cooling cannot handle something like this except in special circumstances. My i5 4310u on the other hand has an operating frequency of 2GHz and has a TDP of 15W. That's a big difference, and is what makes the chip capable of easily being run in a laptop with a slim design, slim cooler, and have decent battery life. Because of this the chip is inherently slower than the desktop counterpart and to most will not last as long performance wise. It's the same basic setup for an i3, i7, or AMD chip.

So, a server is basically just a computer or node of some sort? And you scan to make sure you don't have any infections? How is it you avoid all the nasties? See, my plan is to only use my laptop for seemingly safe places, like official sites.
A server is a machine with a dedicated task that usually has little direct user input depending on the task at hand. It "serves" a purpose. In my case, my server is just a computer made with regular desktop parts running Windows, hosting my media/games, hosting a dedicated game server (ARK Survival), and a Plex server. I also have another server that is a "blade" server that has dual processors and will be made into a hardware firewall and DHCP server. Servers have many different tasks from file hosting, game hosting, SQL database hosting, web hosting, network trafficking, you name it. This website is hosted on a server probably somewhere in a database. I think you get the idea. They come in many different form factors, purposes, hardware and software configurations.
Every 6 months I install the latest Avast and run a virus scan, and do the same with Malwarebytes since I do a lot of downloading with it. I avoid infection by safe browsing habits, running Adblock at all times to avoid nasty ads that could potentially be infected with Spyware, and just general long term experience with knowing what to look for when downloading or browsing grey area websites.


Is it possible to get rid of viruses already on a computer? I heard there're some that are invisible, if you like, to scanners, etc..
Yes, very possible. There are some circumstances where you can't get rid of a particularly nasty virus but if you don't browse the porn, torrent sites, click on win a free iPad type ads, or anything like that you should be generally "protected" from most potentially bad viruses and malware/spyware. Sparing the details for another discussion.

What about those guys who hack... how do you avoid them? Don't you need some kind of security active at all times for that?
There is a 0.01% chance they care about you. To get literally hacked you have to piss off the wrong person or go someplace you shouldn't be at. When running open ports like myself there are safeguards to put in place to protect from such instances but generally if they have the knowhow to hack you it only delays the inevitable.

Malwarebytes... is it free or paid for?
Free, just avoid the "try the premium trial" after installation.

So IGPs and dedicated GPUs are different? So, IGPs are the ones that need RAM, while dedicated GPUs have their own little subsystem VRAM for this... but still causes overheating if the motherboard isn't equipped with the correct heat-sinks, fans, PSU, etc.? That last part was me just thinking aloud, really. I know all that heat-sinks stuff is probably irrelevant, here, for just a simple laptop... or should I be worrying about that stuff?
If you get a laptop this isn't really the topic for it. A dedicated GPU has its own card, own RAM, own power system, ect. For a laptop, this can be in the form of an MXM add in board, or for desktop an add in card that can be put in a slot on the motherboard. IGPs and dedicated cards do the same thing by putting visual on your screen, just an IGP is build into the processor or motherboard (older systems).
Oi, so many questions ahahaha. Glad to help.
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Someone said to me they'd only ever recommend Lenovo or ASUS for laptop brands... said something about most other brands/manufacturers being way overpriced, not the best quality and use only proprietary connectors/parts, which makes the repair bills way more than they should be, and upgrading nearly impossible. This makes me wary of anything besides ASUS and Lenovo. What do you guys think? And what are proprietary connectors/parts?
Every laptop is pretty much 90% proprietary as they use a specific screen, motherboard, casing, power delivery, ect. The brand argument these days is becoming pretty irrelevant. Asus make good laptops but actually they are one of the more pricey brands following brands like Alienware or Eurocom. Having to repair a laptop is going to be pricey regardless depending on what's wrong. For brands I can recommend personally would be Asus, Lenovo, Dell, and Acer. Again, all depends on model and the specs for the price.

Most all laptops can at least replace the RAM and storage easily as an upgrade. Usually. Laptops are a pretty vague area though due to the nature of the device.
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