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Old 03-27-2013, 09:14 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Thanks for your help. I wouldn't have found that case. I however did go a lot more expensive on the build than I originally intended lol.
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Old 03-27-2013, 09:35 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Well you said 1000-1200. You can easily drop a couple hundred.
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Old 03-28-2013, 02:53 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Though i love the idea of ITX, But... A.) you're going to have a harder time cooling the pc, most ITX cases just don't have the case ventilation for a high power pc build. B.) Its going to cost you around 200+ more for a good ITX build.

Building a quiet media computer is a hard thing to do, if you go ITX, without liquid cooling, its just not going to be possible to keep quiet!

I would say just get a standard ATX or micro ATX case that has a efficient and small layout with still having more then enough cooling.

The best trick for a quiet pc is to get large heatsinks, Quality variable RPM fans, A case with sound deadening(Its why i went for the Antec p182)
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How is he going to have a problem cooling the rig with an unoverclockable GPU and a very cool and quiet GPU? Not to mention, the case I linked has a huge 180mm fan right above where the CPU goes. If I have it pegged, this machine is going in or on an entertainment center next to his Xbox which is noisy itself.
You only have problems cooling mITX rigs if
A: You try to overclock hot CPUs with them
B: Have many HDDs
C: Have a hot running GPU like a 5800 or Fermi
D: Combined all above.

I think people take the whole "absolutely silent PC" thing a little too far. It's quiet in my house, nothing going on, no traffic outside, I'm the only one up, and with a fairly "noisy" setup I can barely hear my PC. My typing I feel like is 100x louder than the fans could ever be on my PC and I don't even have a mechanical keyboard.
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Old 03-28-2013, 11:50 PM   #15 (permalink)
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How is he going to have a problem cooling the rig with an unoverclockable GPU and a very cool and quiet GPU? Not to mention, the case I linked has a huge 180mm fan right above where the CPU goes.
180mm fans just dont have the pressure that something like a 120mm or 80mm fan has so it wont force the air in as hard thus it wont force it out as hard. Plus, even though i love EVGA, i have never had a card from them that was cool and quiet with the stock cooler. Plus, they require using MSI Afterburner to keep them cool so that spoils the quiet while gaming. a 660 TI will also need a good intake of fresh air if its being gamed on. Plus, as you said, its over the cpu not the gpu.

imo, its just a better and much less expensive route to go with an ATX/M-ATX format.

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I think people take the whole "absolutely silent PC" thing a little too far.
I have very acute hearing, even the smallest noises drive me insane! haha. i can hear the one cheap 80mm fan i have on half voltage(across the room) that cools my yamaha 5.1 receiver.

Still though, ill give you that hands down. I think i just like to obsess over the needless details!
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180mm fans just dont have the pressure that something like a 120mm or 80mm fan has so it wont force the air in as hard thus it wont force it out as hard. Plus, even though i love EVGA, i have never had a card from them that was cool and quiet with the stock cooler. Plus, they require using MSI Afterburner to keep them cool so that spoils the quiet while gaming. a 660 TI will also need a good intake of fresh air if its being gamed on. Plus, as you said, its over the cpu not the gpu.

imo, its just a better and much less expensive route to go with an ATX/M-ATX format.



I have very acute hearing, even the smallest noises drive me insane! haha. i can hear the one cheap 80mm fan i have on half voltage(across the room) that cools my yamaha 5.1 receiver.

Still though, ill give you that hands down. I think i just like to obsess over the needless details!
You'd be surprised how much air it moves. The fan is almost as big as the whole top of the case. The GPU sucks cold air in from the side vents and blows it out the back and doesn't even need any air from inside the case at all. So literally all the fan is doing is blowing cold air straight on to the CPU that doesn't really get that warm to begin with.

A stock reference 660ti loads in the mid 60s inside of a case that depends on intake and exhaust for fresh air. One that sucks cold air straight from the side of the case would run cooler. You have to be pretty insane to think that is any way shape or from "hot". I think people don't realize exactly how cool the 600 series cards run. If he decided to get some like an MSI, Asus, or Gigabyte with aftermarket cooling it would run cooler but dump more heat inside the case itself.
Since the card wont be gasping for cool air to keep the GPU cooler it will keep the FAN RPM lower as well meaning a quieter system. If he wanted to really keep the CPU even cooler he could put a Noctua ITX cooler on it. 2 low RPM fans, low RPM on the GPU, and an SSD would mean a rather silent machine.
If you took the time to read, he can't have something taller than an Xbox 360 so that makes all ATX systems unusable, and most all mATX boxes unusable as well.
Try to realize, I cater to ALL needs and when I make a build for somebody I try to keep the most performance, a cool and efficient setup, while maintaining budget. If he decided to go with an ITX Noctua HSF the loudest piece in his machine would be the BD burner when it spins up. I think most people forget the acoustic specs of an optical drive when they spin up. They are NOISY.

Trust me when I say, I know the meaning of acute hearing. I did pro audio over half my life with my dad working some serious venues and bands. I can nail feedback to the frequency on a 32 band EQ within a few seconds. I can also say, some people take the meaning of quiet machine a little too far. The size of the machine does not depict how quiet it will be. Considering it has very few fans means it has less chances of actually being noisy. You also can't forget that every PSU besides the high end fanless Platinum units have a fan and they can usually get noisy making spending a ton of money on noise reducing parts (like Noctua fans) pointless. Also remember that bigger fans push more air with less RPMs which makes less noise (the good ones anyway).

Edit: Oh yea, since this is an entertainment box he probably wont hear any setup over his living room speakers or where ever it is going.
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Old 03-29-2013, 12:42 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Fair enough! i got to say, i appreciate the well worded arguments and non bais tech opinions, i try to do the same! Hey, after all, my name is Murphy Law, im just looking for the single cloud in the sky! :P
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