Ranked CPU List - Page 3 - Techist - Tech Forum

Go Back   Techist - Tech Forum > Computer Hardware > New Systems | Building and Buying
Click Here to Login
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 06-02-2009, 04:07 AM   #21 (permalink)
Techie Beyond Description
 
Apokalipse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 14,559
Default Re: Ranked CPU List

I think the Phenom II 940 is between the Q9400 and Q9550 in most cases, anyway.
The Phenom II 955 would be at or slightly above the Q9550 (It can depend if it's using DDR2 or DDR3)
__________________

__________________
Apokalipse is offline  
Old 06-02-2009, 04:13 AM   #22 (permalink)
 
zedman3d's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,852
Default Re: Ranked CPU List

Quote:
Originally Posted by Apokalipse View Post
I don't think a CPU ranking can really work. Performance between two different CPU's depends on a lot of different things.

It can depend on the type of instructions being executed, the compiler used, how sensitive the program is to RAM speed and timings, whether an IMC gives it a benifit, whether large cache helps, predictability of instructions by the prefetching algorithms, what RAM and motherboard it's being paired with, how well it scales with frequency, the chipset drivers and BIOS used, the operating system and what it's compiled with and how it's compiled (especially for GNU/Linux or OpenBSD).
The performance of multi-core CPU's varies depending on how well threaded the application is, and sometimes how fast the intercore communicate is (especially for multi-socket systems).
I disagree, because the points you made can be made towards the graphics cards list.

- Depends what game.
- Depends what driver.
- What Operating System.
- How well does internal SLI/Crossfire scale card to card.
- Etc etc...

All in all, a cpu list is doable and will remove a lot of the clutter in the hardware section.
__________________

zedman3d is offline  
Old 06-02-2009, 04:31 AM   #23 (permalink)
Techie Beyond Description
 
Apokalipse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 14,559
Default Re: Ranked CPU List

Quote:
Originally Posted by zedman3d View Post
I disagree, because the points you made can be made towards the graphics cards list.

- Depends what game.
- Depends what driver.
- What Operating System.
- How well does internal SLI/Crossfire scale card to card.
- Etc etc...

All in all, a cpu list is doable and will remove a lot of the clutter in the hardware section.
Video cards have a much narrower scope than CPU's do.
Until recently, the only thing they've done is process graphics.

But CPU's have to deal with basically every kind of computation. There are far more variables and there is far bigger variation.

Yes, graphics cards have variation depending on circumstances. But they are much more consistent in general, due to their relatively narrow scope.
__________________
Apokalipse is offline  
Old 06-02-2009, 06:02 AM   #24 (permalink)
 
zedman3d's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,852
Default Re: Ranked CPU List

Quote:
Originally Posted by Apokalipse View Post
Video cards have a much narrower scope than CPU's do.
Until recently, the only thing they've done is process graphics.

But CPU's have to deal with basically every kind of computation. There are far more variables and there is far bigger variation.

Yes, graphics cards have variation depending on circumstances. But they are much more consistent in general, due to their relatively narrow scope.
This ranking is based off an entire communities knowledge. I understand what you are saying though and ai do agree to an extent.

We all know how one CPU ranks versus another, and if i dont know, Hikari knows, if he doesnt know, you know, if you dont know S0ULphIRE knows. People who actually have had experience with that particular cpu greatly help with determining their general sort of performance.
zedman3d is offline  
Old 06-02-2009, 08:34 AM   #25 (permalink)
Lord Techie
 
hikaricloud's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 6,220
Default Re: Ranked CPU List

Taste, I don't mind editing the first post, just let me know how you want it done.

Providing the thread stays civil of course. :P
__________________
R.I.P. Ronald C. "Bucky" Buck
3/13/1949 - 11/30/2010
Poizen22 - in all honesty id prefetr my pics get passed around then send perform some homo erotic sexual deed.
thirdshiftdj - what on earth are you trying to say???
I do not accept support questions via EMail, PM or IM.
If I helped you out, or what I just said rocked you like a hurricane, hit the little thingie over there.
<-------------------------------
hikaricloud is offline  
Old 06-02-2009, 09:51 AM   #26 (permalink)
Techie Beyond Description
 
Apokalipse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 14,559
Default Re: Ranked CPU List

Quote:
Originally Posted by zedman3d View Post
This ranking is based off an entire communities knowledge. I understand what you are saying though and ai do agree to an extent.

We all know how one CPU ranks versus another, and if i dont know, Hikari knows, if he doesnt know, you know, if you dont know S0ULphIRE knows. People who actually have had experience with that particular cpu greatly help with determining their general sort of performance.
I think you're still missing the point.
Sure, you can compare CPU's; When you consider the context in which they're going to be used.

You can't make a system to say that CPU's are ranked absolutely in a certain order; it doesn't work like that.
__________________
Apokalipse is offline  
Old 06-02-2009, 10:00 AM   #27 (permalink)
Lord Techie
 
hikaricloud's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 6,220
Default Re: Ranked CPU List

But that's what multiple benchmarks are for, to weed out as many possible instances where the CPU will be performing. There are processors that outperform others at stock in a multitude of benchmarks, hence they are better in general.

Although I do agree that ranking them is a bit hard to do, because it really depends on which benchmarks you go by. For example, the link that Soul posted only goes by one benchmark. In other situations, some of those CPUs would outperform ones higher up on the list. It's just a matter of the amount of benchmarks to judge performance.
__________________
R.I.P. Ronald C. "Bucky" Buck
3/13/1949 - 11/30/2010
Poizen22 - in all honesty id prefetr my pics get passed around then send perform some homo erotic sexual deed.
thirdshiftdj - what on earth are you trying to say???
I do not accept support questions via EMail, PM or IM.
If I helped you out, or what I just said rocked you like a hurricane, hit the little thingie over there.
<-------------------------------
hikaricloud is offline  
Old 06-02-2009, 10:10 AM   #28 (permalink)
Techie Beyond Description
 
Apokalipse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 14,559
Default Re: Ranked CPU List

Quote:
Originally Posted by hikaricloud View Post
But that's what multiple benchmarks are for, to weed out as many possible instances where the CPU will be performing. There are processors that outperform others at stock in a multitude of benchmarks, hence they are better in general.
Of course there are instances where a CPU will be clearly better than another. That's not what I'm disputing.
But an absolute measurement based on arbitrary criteria isn't going to be useful in cases where somebody intends to use it in circumstances different to the arbitrary criteria used, and the performance difference is large enough to shift the rankings.

And there will be a lot of those cases. Way more than with video cards.
__________________
Apokalipse is offline  
Old 06-02-2009, 11:23 AM   #29 (permalink)
Lord Techie
 
Luke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Fonthill, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 5,601
Send a message via AIM to Luke Send a message via MSN to Luke
Default Re: Ranked CPU List

this was suggested a while ago but it did not work out because of these vary reason. Including apok's argument. At stock the performance between tasks on a cpu can vary a lot. Overclocked it can also. The fact is you can't really compare oced cpu's beacause you would need the exact identicle hardware for each oc. But that does not work in cases of scoket type. Then on top of that one cpu may be leaps and bounds better then another with just a different set of ram, or another different motherboard, ect. But if you include that in then that is not fare to other cpu's who don't get the change of hardware. So then if you use the hardware that is ideal for every cpu then the comparison between them becomes irellevent because of the large wake of different hardware being used. You can not compare them.
__________________
3770K @ 4.7 Ghz H100 Water Cooled | GTX 970 MSI Gold Edition SLI
32GB G.Skill RipJaws (Rendering/ Virtualization) | Corsair 650D | CORSAIR RM1000W w/ White Cable KIt
Samsung 850 Pro 256 GB SSD Boot | OCZ Vertex 3 240GB SSD Secondary | WD Black 1 TB | WD Green 3 TB
Server: Core i7 920 | 8GB RAM | Intel 240gb 730 SSD Boot | 3 x 2TB WD RED | Fractal R4
Luke is offline  
Old 06-02-2009, 11:45 AM   #30 (permalink)
Master Techie
 
synergy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: 15 Hive
Posts: 2,284
Send a message via MSN to synergy Send a message via Yahoo to synergy
Default Re: Ranked CPU List

I agree with Apok. The only way to really rank CPUs is to have them in standardized configurations where there are no other variables. Sure GPUs have the same variables with the programs that are giving the instructions, but every GPU is standardized wheras the CPU is so dependent on all the other components. You'll notice whenever a reviewer tests a product they do it on the same mobo, ram, etc.

With this in mind all you need to do to rank these is to look at the clock speeds and probably even price. To me, that really isn't very useful information. While an overclocking ranking would be more controversial I think it would be much more helpful and meaningful in this regard.
__________________

__________________
i7 2600K | TRUE 120 w/ Xigmatek XLF-F1253 | Asus Sabertooth P67 | 16 GB G.Skill RipjawX DDR3 1600
EVGA GTX 560Ti | 256 GB Plextor M3 SSD |80 GB Intel X25-M SSD | Corsair Graphite 600T
Coolermaster Purepower 850W | Samsung 25.5" 1920x1200 | Windows 7 Pro 64-bit


HTPC: AMD FX-4100 3.6 GHz | Gigabyte GA-880GM mATX w/ ATI Radeon HD 4250 | 8 GB G.Skill RipjawX DDR3 1600
LG Blu-Ray/HD-DVD ROM + DVD RW | 60 GB OCZ Vertex SSD | WD Caviar 1 TB | Antec Veris Fusion Black HTPC Case
Logitech diNovo Edge KB | Win7 Pro 64-bit
3dMark06 23,159 | 3dMark Vantage 23,579 | TF2 Stats Page | BC2 Stats | BF3 Stats
MCSE (SharePoint 2013), MCITP & MCTS (SharePoint 2010), CIW
synergy is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
CPU rankings list? philbar71 New Systems | Building and Buying 15 12-25-2008 12:34 AM
Computer without CPU fan? lazycat Hardware Repairs and Troubleshooting 3 10-28-2008 12:01 AM
Overclocked 3.2ghz Pentium D processor by 15% EliteScouter Overclocking and Modding 1 12-19-2007 11:52 PM
Bad MB or CPU? fallow Hardware Repairs and Troubleshooting 4 12-16-2007 06:49 PM
Does my MB have a lock on the CPU freq.??? rickytan Overclocking and Modding 2 12-12-2007 01:16 AM



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:18 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.