Originally Posted by Abstract Hero
Thanks for ruining the OP's thought process of building and scarring this forum.
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Not sure who that is addressed to but judging by the gunzidiot's last comment to me, he is doing just fine. And regardless, I am not going to apologize for ensuring folks know all the facts so they can make an informed, and legal
decision. Nor am I going to apologize for pointing out a crime is a crime. People need to know the truth and that's part of my job as an advisor on these sites. Once fully informed, the user then can make the decision that suits his needs. If he wants to use a 3rd party cooler, fine. If he wants to overclock, fine. But it is not fine to then lie to AMD or Intel for the purpose of getting a free replacement if heat takes out the CPU. That's criminal deception - fraud. And it is certainly not fine for advisors to tell those seeking advice it is okay to lie. I personally think that's a scar on the forum more than presenting the truth.
Originally Posted by Trotter
I can also tell you that my experience with the stock cooler sucked as it was extremely loud.
There's no doubt the AMD OEM coolers when running at full RPM are louder than many 3rd party coolers - especially those with large fans designed to be quiet. But a quality case can make a world of difference too. I have built several systems using, for example, Antec Sonata cases and from experience I can tell you that when used inside a solid, quality case that provides good front to back air flow and cooling, under normal use the CPU fan speed regularly toggles down and the system becomes nearly silent. Even under full speed, a quality case greatly suppresses the CPU fan noise often to a point it is the tiny GPU fan and/or PSU fan noise that becomes most prevalent. If the purpose of a cooler is to cool, and it provides adequate cooling then IMO, it doesn't suck. And AMD OEM coolers do an excellent job of keeping the CPU cool. So if your top priority is silent running (such as with a HTPC), then yeah, OEM fans are often too loud. But if CPU cooling is your top priority, then they don't. Sure, some 3rd party coolers may provide a few extra degrees of cooling, but that's not the point.
Now if you overclock, all bets are off and you are on your own anyway because neither warranty covers damage due to overclocking.
Is it okay to use a Zalman or some other alternative cooler? Sure! As long as you know and understand the consequences for, as the Intel CPU Warranty
puts it, CPU "usage not in accordance with product instructions
" - and instructions in both cases say to use the supplied cooling. Certainly, there are many enthusiasts (and people with deeper pockets than me) who don't care about warranties. And that's fine. People take brand new cars, chop them up and run them on race tracks too. But they are not going back to Ford or Chevy and say, "My engine blew for no apparent reason, RMA me a new one."
Also, the point is moot if you buy an OEM CPU as they don't normally come with supplied HSF assemblies. But then they are warrantied for only 1 year instead of 3, and their warranties still stipulate usage with specified (not overclocked) voltages.
I doscovered that the memory controller in my CPU was bad I answered AMD's question by telling them what my current cooler happened to be (not stock). Since the problem was the memory controller and not something caused by temps they honored the warranty anyway but I am on my own should anything else happen.
Sure. According to the warranty, they did not have to honor your claim, but that surely would not have been good business sense. You told the truth. They could see that. And you left feeling good about AMD, the company. And it is likely you bought from them again and probably told your friends and colleagues how fairly you were treated too.