I don't like referbs because I've had to send to many back before. Also in the most likely hood I'll be going with the first one. I could play a lot of high end games before on my laptop such as, bioshock infinite, mw3, Crysis 3, FalloutNV, AVP and more. Also I'm not to big a fan of intel systems. They run too hot for my tastes. Also the thickness of the computer is irrelevant to me when it comes down to it I preferred the design of the old DELL XPS Inspiron systems where they were as thick as a brick to the ultra book design of today.