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Old 07-29-2009, 08:39 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Ello.

So I wanted to buy a new PC but alot of friends said that it's cheaper if I build my own. So I started reading some guides here about upgrading, and started looking for parts. Actually my screen is also old and I want to buy a new one.

The screen, I found a 24" wide with 2ms response time and 50000:1 contrast for 318 USD.
Also, for a long time I've wanted the GTX260. I found one (216 pipes) for 233 USD.
I'm struggling with the rest :/ I know nothing about motherboards, and just a little about CPUs. My budget is around 6000SEK (800 USD), but probably more if I can... in english umm... pay it in pieces (like 100bucks a month).

I have some questions:
1. The graphic card that I mentioned above requires 600Watts. However, I found one that required 550watts and one that required 500. Are there any differences between them?
2. Does CPU really matter in gaming? All I hear is graphic card, graphic card and graphic card.
3. As I said in numer one, there is a 500w 260 GTX. Should I get that one to buy a cheaper power supply instead?

My purposes: Gaming mostly. Probably CoD Modern Warfare 2 - I'd love to play it at high settings and the resolution of my new screen. I don't really care about the looks, so the case can be ugly as ****. I don't care about the sound either, just some integrated **** will do it.

So, which Motherboard and CPU do you guys prefer? I live in Sweden so Newegg can't ship items to me really. But there are other good sites: Net2World, NetOnNet, Inet, Butik.

Thanks.

Edit: I just saw a review about the GTX 260 216 on YouTube, and it seems like the EVGA GTX 260 superclocked is better. Is it worth $50 more than the 216?
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Old 07-29-2009, 05:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I don't have time to post up a whole build, but I can tell you this.

1. I thought they were all 500W. Maybe the others are overclocked versions.
2. The Cpu does matter, but most games are going to ride the graphics card much more heavily. A decent core 2 duo is good enough, but if your budget is $800 not including the monitor, you can go for a quad. Phenom II x4 940 preferably.
3. Yeah, get the 500W one because I am assuming those others are overclocked. It is always a waste to buy factory overclocked unless it is like only $5 or $10 more. Then it doesn't really matter. So, to answer your other question, don't get the superclocked card for $50 more.

I'll tell you what, I can give you a build that I put together for a clanmate off of newegg. You'll just have to re-find the parts on your site. There may also be better deals than the cpu-mobo combo I found.

cpu + mobo: Newegg.com - Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, Digital Cameras and more! $260
Ram: Newegg.com - OCZ Reaper HPC Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2RPR800C44GK - Desktop Memory $55 - $20 MIR = $45
GPU: Newegg.com - XFX HD-489A-ZDFC Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards $195
HDD: Newegg.com - Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3750528AS 750GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - Internal Hard Drives $80
PSU: Newegg.com - PC Power & Cooling S75QB 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply compatible with core i7 - Power Supplies $110
Case: Newegg.com - COOLER MASTER ELITE 335 RC-335-KKN1-GP Black SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Computer Cases $40
Optical: Newegg.com - SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 22X DVD Burner - CD / DVD Burners $26


If you must have Nvidia, something like this will substitute for the 4890 in this budget: Newegg.com - XFX GX275XAHFF GeForce GTX 275 896MB 448-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards

You don't have to have the exact same optical, case, psu, or hdd. Those are just guidelines.
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Old 07-30-2009, 03:46 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks for your reply.

The thing is they are more expensive here :/
The Phenom2 X4 940 costs $251.
A case with integrated 500W PSU (cheap one) for $72.
Gigabyte GA-MA780G-UD3H for $116.
GTX 260+ for $234.
OCZ 4GB Gold XTC for $79.
DVD盧W for $32.
500GB HDD for $26.
That's $810.

But you recommended a 750W PSU right? Do I need it for overclocking or is it just better with higher? And the GTX 260+ Superclocked beats the GTX280 as I saw on .

Edit: Actually I know nothing about ATI cards. There is a XFX HD4890 1GB GDDR5 (850Mhz) 256bit - for about the same price as the 260+. Should I buy the HD4890, GTX 260+ or GTX 275? I want high framerates at 1920x1050.
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Old 07-30-2009, 10:29 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Thanks for your reply.

The thing is they are more expensive here :/
The Phenom2 X4 940 costs $251.
A case with integrated 500W PSU (cheap one) for $72.
Gigabyte GA-MA780G-UD3H for $116.
GTX 260+ for $234.
OCZ 4GB Gold XTC for $79.
DVD盧W for $32.
500GB HDD for $26.
That's $810.

But you recommended a 750W PSU right? Do I need it for overclocking or is it just better with higher? And the GTX 260+ Superclocked beats the GTX280 as I saw on .

Edit: Actually I know nothing about ATI cards. There is a XFX HD4890 1GB GDDR5 (850Mhz) 256bit - for about the same price as the 260+. Should I buy the HD4890, GTX 260+ or GTX 275? I want high framerates at 1920x1050.
Don't use the Power Supply that comes with that case, get a different case without a PSU and buy a 750W Power Supply separately.
Buying a 750W PSU now means you won't need to buy a new PSU down the track if you want to SLI.
It is difficult to pick out parts for you due to the differences in currency, but I would make sure whatever graphics card you get, get one with 1Gb Ram because you are playing at a fairly high res.
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Old 07-30-2009, 11:30 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I kept looking and found a new site, much cheaper.

Here are the parts I'm planning to get (PLEASE, if any of the components don't fit eachother or you prefer another one, please tell me):

AMD Phenom II X4 940 - 3 GHz, cache L3 6 Mb, socket AM2+ - Black Edition
Advance 8808KP KAPPA
ADVANCE PC PSU EA4G-750 750W
320GB Samsung SpinPoint T HD322HJ
OCZ Gold Edition Dual Channel 2 x 2 Gb DDR2-1066 PC2-8500 CL5
SAMSUNG Intern br鋘nare DVD盧W 16x SH-S223B
^ For $500.

Now. I have a motherboard and a graphic card left.

So far, I've found this motherboard.
I see you prefer a 1GB card because I'm playing on 1920x1080 right? 896MB can't do it? If no, then I'm stuck on the HD4890?

Edit: I changed my mind. I'm getting a 16:10, probably 1920x1200. 1GB should be enough right?

Edit2: I really can't make up my mind. The 16:9s are cheaper.
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Old 07-31-2009, 09:50 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Guys I think I've come to my final decision. The motherboard and PSU I'm getting both support Crossfire. And you guys say I need at least a 1GB graphic card. So I'm getting the HD4890. And whenever I need an upgrade in the future, I'll just buy another 4890 and crossfire it. Also for the screen, I'm getting a 24" 2ms 1920x1200.
This is my first build, so I'm stil not sure if I've got everything I need. Do I need extra fans? I heard that the HD4890 has high temperatures all the time, especially when playing. Is it safe anyway?

Here are my parts again:
Case: Advance 8808KP KAPPA
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-MA780G-UD3H
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 940 - 3 GHz, cache L3 6 Mb, socket AM2+ - Black Edition
GPU: SAPPHIRE TECHNOLOGY Radeon HD4890 OC (Factory overclocked for the same price) - 1 Gb DDR5
PSU: ADVANCE PC PSU EA4G-750 750W
HDD: 320GB Samsung SpinPoint T HD322HJ
RAM: OCZ Gold Edition Dual Channel 2 x 2 Gb DDR2-1066 PC2-8500 CL5
Optical Drive: SAMSUNG Intern br鋘nare DVD盧W 16x SH-S223B

If anything comes in my way of Crossfiring, please tell me. Or if any part doesn't fit into the motherboard.

I'm curious... Is 1GB enough for 1920x1200?

Edit: The motherboard already has three fans.

Please guys, I need a confirmation.
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Old 07-31-2009, 10:23 AM   #7 (permalink)
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inet is my personal favorite site and their stores are great as well.

I game at 1920 x 1200 with a gtx260 and can max most games.

the 4890 would be plenty for you.
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