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Old 01-06-2012, 12:24 PM   #11 (permalink)
 
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I'll take a look into your programs later, but i'll shed some light on multicore.

As you probably know, you have the cpu. Back a few years ago you had the pentium cpu. It'd work on 1 process at a time, then switch to anothefr, then another, and so on... Swo i sec second it might work on 300 different things

Then came dual and quad cores, aka multi-core chips. So 2 cpus on 1 chip. You can now run 2 processes at a time, so you can run 600 process per second or the same 300 processes as before but in half the time. This is because a process couldnt be run using both cpu cores at once.

Then programers learnt how to get a program to run using both. so 1 process could get worked on by both cpus, cutting its working time in half. The thing though is alot of programs are stll single threaded, aka 1 cpu prpogram, so having 8 cpu's doesn't change its working speed. Most newer programs are 2 threads, and even fewer are 4 cores.

Basically the above boils down to, if your program can only use 1 or 2 cores of a cpu, getting an 8 core cpu, like a 2600k, is a waste of money compared to the 2500k which is 4 cores.
But if your program does use 4, a 2600k will speed things tremendously.

An ssd is useful if in it allows your programs to work faster. They are definately not for storage, and I'd suggest a green type western digital to do that. Inexpensive and they power down when not being used.
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What program are you using? If you posted above sorry, I didnt recognize it. But if your program isnt multi-core capiable, then theres no use in getting a multli-core cpu like an x6, 3960x or even a i7 2600k.
Now the sound card, may or may not be a need. I'm no where near a sound person, though the new motherboards do have pretty good sound, but you are alot better in that department.

Realisticsally, I'd run a
Intel 2500k
A good quality z68 motherboard
8Gig of RAM
120Gig SSD
~$100 video card, like rthe 6870.
A good quality power supply. I'd lok into a good silver or possibly a gold level of efficiency, since you'll have it on alot.

That should be about a grand. Though if you start adding regular hard drives for storage, then you'll be upping it a couple hundred.
Some of the DJ programs are multi core, and most all audio production programs are. A 2600k maybe a bit overkill, but it is more future proofed for the future of audio programs. And yes, he will need a good amount of storage, so if anything, drop the SSD to save money.

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I figured it would take a grand at least to get something decent.

Thanks patronb. That's some helpful info. I didn't realize most higher-end "mobos" come with a decent sound card. On that subject, I still think I need a stand-alone though. I will consult the Ableton forums to see what other producers use. So you say I should use an Intel i5-2500k? Interesting. I'm not sure what you mean by multi-core capable, but it takes a lot to keep it up. Almost everywhere I go says a gaming PC works great for music producers too. I use two programs simultaneously, Ableton is 1.5 Gigs and Reason is 2.5 Gigs. I'll need extra room to store my music, so only 120GB is out of the question. I need at least 500 GB in total, with room for growth. So I'm aiming for at least 1 TB.

So is SSD really worth it then?

I feel better knowing I can possibly get something good for just a grand.
You NEED an external audio USB interface. Don't buy a sound card, or rely on onboard. Multi-thread (or core) capable means that a program can use more than one of your CPU's cores simultaneously. SSD isn't worth it for your use, unless you have money to spare. A gaming PC will do great as both a DJ and Music Production rig, trust me. My PC is a gaming PC, and I told you how well it handles audio programs. And as far as RAM goes, 8gb will do just fine for now, but since the price of RAM keeps getting lower, you could probably find a good deal on a larger kit. I got 16gb for $73.

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Thank you Slaymate for the link. I understand a little better now, I'm still looking through the page. I will do some studying!

Ah... ok TJ. That settles "x86" for me. I see it everywhere. I was just reading an article in Wikipedia about it, but I still didn't understand what the heck it was, just that it was a common ending number for set architectures microprocessors developed by Intel, or something like that, which is mostly gibberish to me. Thanks for that.

To be honest, I came here to find information to plan out exactly what I would save for. I don't have a budget to work with right now. I was aiming for the $1000-1500 area though. If that helps you guys. I want the best I can get within a reasonable price range. I don't need a monitor, or sound system, I have all that covered. Maybe a new keyboard, I suppose. Hmm. How good can I get with $1000? $1250? $1500?

Solid State Drive. Gotcha. I have 37 GB of storage on C:/ itself, but I use a Hitachi 500GB external to store everything, which my music alone takes up 155.09 GB. I intend on getting more, as always. I plan on replacing that Hitachi too... I keep getting cyclic redundancy errors now when I try to add more music to it. Would it be a good idea to make C:/ an SSD and additional memory 1 or 2 TB as D:/? What is RAID and how does that help me? Is that just additional memory slots?

Ok, video card. Looks like a GTX 560ti is about $100 more than a Radeon HD6870 1GB GDDR5... thoughts? I saw that Radeon description in a Titanium Gamer TI9082 tower on Amazon. It gave the Radeon as the video card. Is the GTX still a better option? Am I just overlooking something?

As I learned on the link Slaymate provided, the motherboard has to sustain everything I throw at it. So what should I invest in? I could get something that I could upgrade in the future, but will perform the way I need it to now. I need to run Ableton Suite 8.2.7 and Reason 5 simultaneously and effectively. The both use like 200,000k together (looking at task manager). Usually I have iTunes open and maybe Google Chrome as well. I'm a multi-tasker.
I'd go for the 6870. And yes, you can get a good PC in that price range. An SSD is only if you can afford it. If you're already on a tight budgets with your other parts, then don't get one. And RAID is essentially on the fly back up of everything on your drive. Unless you plan on buying 2 or more HDD's, don't worry about it. I'll link you up when I get the chance tonight, and find you a good build.
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So TJ, what interface would you suggest then?

This is what I have so far from looking around a bit:

*MSI Z68A-GD55 (G3) Intel Z68 Motherboard - ATX, $139.99
*Intel Core i7-2600K, $319.99
*Corsair XMS3 8 GB (2x4GB) DDR3-1600MHz, $52.99
*Visiontek 900299 Radeon HD 4670, HDMI, 1GB DDR3, $79.99
*WD Caviar Green 2 TB SATA 6 Gb/s, 64MB, $159.99
*HP BD340I 12X Blu-Ray Writer, DVD and CD RW, $129.99
*OCZ ZX 1250w PSU, $209.99
*Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX, $89.99 (on NewEgg.com)

for a total of $1182.92, most of which I found on CompUSA.com. Obviously, I want to keep exploring for more options. I want to be very selective, what can I do to get a better deal? Alternatives to what I've found so far?
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So TJ, what interface would you suggest then?

This is what I have so far from looking around a bit:

*MSI Z68A-GD55 (G3) Intel Z68 Motherboard - ATX, $139.99
*Intel Core i7-2600K, $319.99
*Corsair XMS3 8 GB (2x4GB) DDR3-1600MHz, $52.99
*Visiontek 900299 Radeon HD 4670, HDMI, 1GB DDR3, $79.99
*WD Caviar Green 2 TB SATA 6 Gb/s, 64MB, $159.99
*HP BD340I 12X Blu-Ray Writer, DVD and CD RW, $129.99
*OCZ ZX 1250w PSU, $209.99
*Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX, $89.99 (on NewEgg.com)

for a total of $1182.92, most of which I found on CompUSA.com. Obviously, I want to keep exploring for more options. I want to be very selective, what can I do to get a better deal? Alternatives to what I've found so far?
I haven't bought one for a while, but look at what M audio has available.

This one is what I have now: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...7BBTkwCjCECjCE

Now, on to the computer. I like everything on there, but that old GPU, and expensive Blu-Ray drive. Try these:

GPU: Newegg.com - XFX Double D HD-679X-ZDFC Radeon HD 6790 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
Blu-Ray: Newegg.com - ASUS Black 12X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 12X DVD-RAM 8X BD-ROM 8MB Cache SATA Blu-ray Burner BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS

I know the GPU is more expensive, but the Blu-Ray drive is less, so it almost evens out. I see you have the 1250w OCZ PSU there. That's a bit (well, a lot) overkill for this build. It's a great PSU, but you don't need it. Try this one:

Newegg.com - Antec EarthWatts Series EA-750 Green 750W ATX12V v2.3 SLI Certified CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Continuous Power Supply


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Adjusted plan:

*MSI Z68A-GD55 (G3)
Intel Z68 Motherboard - ATX, $139.99
*Intel Core i7-2600K, $319.99
*Corsair XMS3 8 GB (2x4GB) DDR3-1600MHz, $52.99
*XFX Double D HD-679X-ZDFC Radeon HD 6790 1GB 256-bit GDDR5, $139.99
*WD Caviar Green 2 TB SATA
6 Gb/s, 64MB, $159.99
*ASUS Black 12X BD-R 2X...Blu-ray Burner, $89.99
*Antec EarthWatts Series EA-750 Green 750W ATX12V , $91.99
*Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX, $89.99 (on NewEgg.com)
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M-Audio Fast Track Pro - 4 x 4 Mobile USB Audio/MIDI Interface with Preamps, $179.99

for a total of $1264.91.
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Unless you have a old drive, you'll need a hard drive other than the green for programs.

Its unfortunate harddrives are so expensive!

Microcenter is another good plAce to find deals.
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This WD Green 2TB 64MB Cache drive is only $139.99 after a rebate.

Newegg.com - Western Digital Caviar Green WD20EARX 2TB 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

If your going with the Green drive you should really spend a little more for a small SSD or your going to have the slowest fast computer or the fastest slow computer on the planet. This 60GB Vertex 3 is only $89.99 after a rebate.

Newegg.com - OCZ Vertex 3 VTX3-25SAT3-60G 2.5" 60GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
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Adjusted plan:

*MSI Z68A-GD55 (G3)
Intel Z68 Motherboard - ATX, $139.99
*Intel Core i7-2600K, $319.99
*Corsair XMS3 8 GB (2x4GB) DDR3-1600MHz, $52.99
*XFX Double D HD-679X-ZDFC Radeon HD 6790 1GB 256-bit GDDR5, $139.99
*WD Caviar Green 2 TB SATA
6 Gb/s, 64MB, $159.99
*ASUS Black 12X BD-R 2X...Blu-ray Burner, $89.99
*Antec EarthWatts Series EA-750 Green 750W ATX12V , $91.99
*Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX, $89.99 (on NewEgg.com)
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M-Audio Fast Track Pro - 4 x 4 Mobile USB Audio/MIDI Interface with Preamps, $179.99

for a total of $1264.91.
That's a great setup there. And I agree with Patonb, maybe just get a smaller Caviar Black?
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Updated Rig Plan:

* MSI Z68A-GD55 (G3) Intel Z68 ATX Mobo - $169.99 (CompUSA, Micro Center)
* Intel Core i7-2600K - $319.99 ($279.99 Micro Center in-store)
* Corsair XMS3 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-1600 (PC3-12800) - $49.99 (Micro Center)
* XFX Double D HD-679X-ZDFC Radeon HD 6790 1 GB 256-bit GDDR5 - $139.99 (Newegg)
* OCZ Vertex 3 VTX3-25SAT3-60G 2.5" 60GB SATA III MLC Internal SSD - $109.99 (Newegg)
* WD Caviar Green WD20EARX 2TB 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" - $159.97 (CompUSA)
* ASUS Black Blu-Ray Burner - $89.99 (Newegg)
* Antec EarthWatts Series EA-750 Green 750W ATX12V - $91.99 (Newegg)
* Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Case - $89.99 (Newegg)
* M-Audio Fast Track Pro 4x4 Mobile USB Audio/MIDI Interface w/ Preamps - $179.99 (Tiger Direct)

**Total: $1401.88 ($1291.89 w/o OCZ Vertex 3 SSD)
-$40 if I drive to Georgia from South Florida to a Micro Center. Pfft
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The GREEN drives are meant for storage only, aka a drive that is accessed to pull files. They are too slow for running operating systems on. I would get a SSD for your OS and audio interfaces, and use your external for a music. Wait a few months for the price of HDD to come down again. The flooding in south east asia had driven the price up over 150%. I think by late spring early summer the price of a 1tb should be back down to 65 70 bucks.
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