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Old 01-10-2007, 03:27 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I love that Motherboard the DS3 cheap and ive heard good things about it. I like everything on the list. The only thing is idk how you guys are coming out with that price? I did almost the same thing except i put in the 7950GT. for some reason it is a 512 MB Videocard? only $265 and i still am hitting under 1k.
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Old 01-10-2007, 06:36 PM   #22 (permalink)
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The 7950GT that is 512mb, is only about $50 more than the one that's in the list.
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Bollocks ^ 30fps is not a steady framerate for games at all. There have been several discussions but the human eye can certainly register more than 30fps. In movies it doesn't make much difference between 30 and 100 since they use a motion blur to fade from frame to frame, so it is less noticeable.

Anyway. The 7900GS should be a pretty good card for you still, if you want to go just a little lower. I would, however, reconsider that 80GB harddrive. 80GB is nothing. You could alternatively drop some bucks on a lower wattage psu. Same brand and will serve you with stability all the same.
Absolutely correct, 30fps in a movie is not that same as 30fps in a game. To get a rough estimate you need to triple a games fps to have the same effect as a movies.
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Old 01-10-2007, 08:33 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Hello well what do you guys think of this build?

Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 Conroe 1.86GHz 2M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115005
$190.00

GIGABYTE GA-965G-DS3 LGA 775 Intel G965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16813128018
$134.99

G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231098
$209.00

Thermaltake TR2 W0070RUC ATX 430W Power Supply 115/230 V - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817153023
$35.99

eVGA 512-P2-N635-AR Geforce 7950GT KO 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130061
$265.99

Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822144701
$74.99

SAMSUNG Black 18X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 18X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache IDE DVD Burner With LightScribe Technology - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827151136
$32.99

COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC-T05-WW Black/Silver Aluminum Bezel, SECC Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811119077
$49.99

Total - $989.93(before Shipping

What do you guys think? If its a LITTLE over i guess ill let it slide.
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That looks good. I don't know about Thermaltake's reputation on power supplies, but it does have alot of reviews. Anway, this build will leave your cousin's and your friend's behind, in the dust.
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A e6300 with a moderate overclock beats a fx-62. It will beat a x2 4600 hands down even with no overclock.
i dislike to show my amd true colors on the forum, but i am prepared for a flaming... i call "false".

a stock e6300 does not outperform a 4600.
a stock e6300 would be about even with my 4200.
a moderate overclock would put the e6300 a little faster than my 4200 (bear in mind that it can overclock very well, though).
and i absolutely disagree that a "moderately" overclocked e6300 will outperform an fx-62.
a 6400 or 6600 with a good overclock, heck yeah they do.
e6300 outperforming one of amd's best...that's an urban legend.
and as far as performance per watt (often, or should i say always, overlooked), i don't think intel can really touch amd. certainly not their energy efficient chips.
thank you for your support, and flame away.
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Old 01-11-2007, 10:33 AM   #27 (permalink)
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its not better then a 4600?

So should I try to some how sqweeze a E6600? Thats about $130 more heh ><
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1.86 C2D = 2.4 AMD Right? (ESTABLISHED RELATIONSHIP)

So you take the C2D speed and divide by .77 = AMD equivalent.
Or........take the AMD speed and multi by .77 = C2D Equivalent.

2.8 AMD x .77 = 2.156 C2D... roughly 300Mhz OC for the e6300 to take the AMD.

Thats a small OC... now the e6300 can hit 3GHz on air with the zalman CU HSF.

3.0 C2D / .77 = 3.89 AMD > 2.8 AMD

So yes the e6300 can mop the floor with AMD flagship chip yet only cost $200.... 1/3 of the $600 FX-62


P.S. - It's good to know about math...and stuff... considering computers are built entirely based on numbers.
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lol who established the relationship? intel?
every benchmark test that was somewhat unbiased (lol as unbiased as they can be) suggests that stock 6300 is behind x2 4600 in all but a couple of fps tests, i think doom and FEAR. ie, behind in cinebench, bandwidth tests (of the memory), 3d rendering, etc.
so, until i have both a 6300 and a 4600 side by side running the same components (except mobo of course, but they would need to be rough equivalent) and the same test programs, i will not buy that a stock 6300 will "mop the floor" with a stock 4600.
now, my standpoint on that issue remains the same...urban myth.
or, you can find me a reputable set of benchmarks or two that directly compare them and i will decide from there...
now, darknesslurkz...a 6600 would beat the crap out of any amd. and with the right skills and components a 6400 would give it a run for the money. so if it is important for you to be ahead of the pack, save 130 dollars more, or try for the 6400, you will get extremely good results out of any of them. and i mean a 4600, a 6400, a 6600, or yes, even a 6300.
good luck!
p.s. bennyv about the math...
i would appreciate not being spoken to condescendingly. if you look through my posts you will see that i am one of the only ones that offer real advice and help on ram timings (nitestick and meithan are really the only two who have ever offered me concrete, useful info) and how to get the most out of overclocking an amd dual core. and one of the few that help other posters on this forum figure out what their (amd users) numerous (and often very simple) problems that are holding them back from pressing their cpus to the limit.
so, no i am not a math major at cal tech or anything, but i have a fairly well-rounded and coherent knowledge of how computers...and stuff...work.
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I was simply saying, these things arent magic. They have direct correlations between the numbers, and you can develop relationships quite consistantly for clock speeds and apply the ratio's. Idk who buys a C2D and leaves it stock though, so the fact of the matter is that you can get a $200 chip and OC a tad and it WILL MOP THE FLOOR with any AMD.



IDK if I'm missing the issue, but hey if I was in the running to buy a new pc... C2D... no questions asked.
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