Is this high-end build just too much overkill? Advice please

[King$nake]

Hello all! So I built my current PC back in 2007! And it is still running like a champ. Since it's been ten years, I am going to give myself a high budget. It might be another ten years before I build another!

Now the games I play are: iRacing, WarThunder, BeamNG and DCS. My main apps are Photoshop CC and Premiere CC.

I plan on running HTC Vive along with the 34" ultrawide.

I don't mind the cost, but if I am paying double in cost just for another 5% performance, than I will reconsider. Also one of my main concerns is that I may have stuffed too much tech into this PC and it may work against me in terms of upkeep, maintenance - specifically the multiple liquid cooling setup.

But if this looks good to go, let me know!

Another thing that sucks is that Origin cannot ship the PC until 3/10, if I order tonight.

Specs below. Vitals in bold:


Origin Genesis
Orientation: Standard
Hydro Dip Color: Carbon Fiber
Interior Color: Black
Variable Mounting: Standard
Case Lighting with Sentinel: Remote Controlled Multi-Colored LED with ORIGIN PC Sentinel Software
Case Fans with Sentinel: ORIGIN PC High-Performance Ultra Silent Fans
Power Supply: 1000 Watt EVGA SuperNOVA G3
Power Supply Sleeved Cable Color: Black Individually Sleeved Cables EVGA
Motherboard: ASUS Rampage V Edition 10
System Cooling: ORIGIN CRYOGENIC Stage II Liquid Cooling
CRYOGENIC Tubing Color: Black
CRYOGENIC Liquid: Koolance Performance Coolant - Red
Processors: Intel Extreme Core i7 6950X Deca-Core 3.0GHz (3.5GHz TurboBoost)
ORIGIN Professional Processor Overclocking: ORIGIN PC Professional Processor Overclocking DT
Thermal Compound: GELID GC-Extreme CPU Application
Graphic Cards: Dual ORIGIN CRYOGENIC Liquid Cooled 12GB NVIDIA Titan X (Pascal)
ORIGIN Professional Graphics Card Overclocking: ORIGIN PC Professional Graphics Card Overclocking
Memory: 64GB Corsair Dominator Platinum 2400Mhz (8 X 8GB)
Operating System: MS Windows 10 Professional
Operating System Drive #1 (Primary): 4TB Samsung 850 Evo Series
Operating System Drive #2: 4TB Samsung 850 Evo Series
Hard Drive Cage: 5 Bay Hot-Swap Cage
Optical Drive One: 12X Blu-ray Reader and DVD Combo
Optical Drive Two: 16X Blu-ray Burner
Lower Unit: Cryogenic Cooling Support
Media Card Reader: 40-in-1 Media Card Reader Prime
Audio: On Board High Definition 8-Channel Audio
Networking: Onboard Network Port
Capture Cards: Elgato Game Capture HD60 Pro
Keyboard: Razer Turret
Mouse: Logitech G900 CHAOS SPECTRUM
Gaming Controllers: Steam Controller
Primary Display: ASUS 34" PG348Q Ultra-Wide G-SYNC Monitor
Headsets: HyperX Cloud Revolver Headset

Thanks!

 

[PP Mguire]

CPU and motherboard combo,

Reason being, I have an idea just how much this rig is out the door and honestly even being an avid Premiere Pro user I can't see you fully utilizing 20 threads nor is the motherboard necessary at all. If you don't mind the cost then by all means.

I also find it kinda funny that this is a custom loop system yet they give you a 1000W G3 instead of a P2 or even a 1200 P2. But I mean, those 4TB EVOs are like 3 grand by themselves lol.

I can get behind the Titans, but I don't understand why an optical drive is necessary let alone 2. This isn't 2004.

Do you need a capture card? Do you play consoles? Also can't stand behind the keyboard choice either. Idk, whole thing looks like you just went to their site and clicked on all the most expensive options and said that'll do. Do you know how to flush a custom loop?

 

[luke127]

I mean if his budget is this high, why not just use the Samsung 960 EVOs... R/W speeds of like 3200/1600 MBps respectively...

 

[PP Mguire]

Seq speeds are only good for large file transfer, IOPS is where it's at. I want Optane drives.

 

[luke127]

Seq speeds are only good for large file transfer, IOPS is where it's at. I want Optane drives.

I want ram to be nonexistent xD One less component we have to pay $100+ for xD

 

[S0ULphIRE]

I'd agree with swapping the main 4TB 850 evo for a 1tb 960, especially if you're looking at not upgrading this rig for a few years again.
UserBenchmark: Samsung 850 Evo vs 960 NVMe PCIe M.2

I'd also say stay the **** away from WC unless you need it. I dunno how heat output on the titans is or whether they'd require a water loop to stay useable a la the GTX480s but if they don't, I'd *strongly* recommend sticking with air cooling. Otherwise you're just adding a whole bunch of things that could go wrong for no real benefit, as well as complicating any maintenance a ton.

 

[King$nake]

CPU and motherboard combo,

Reason being, I have an idea just how much this rig is out the door and honestly even being an avid Premiere Pro user I can't see you fully utilizing 20 threads nor is the motherboard necessary at all. If you don't mind the cost then by all means.

I also find it kinda funny that this is a custom loop system yet they give you a 1000W G3 instead of a P2 or even a 1200 P2. But I mean, those 4TB EVOs are like 3 grand by themselves lol.

I can get behind the Titans, but I don't understand why an optical drive is necessary let alone 2. This isn't 2004.

Do you need a capture card? Do you play consoles? Also can't stand behind the keyboard choice either. Idk, whole thing looks like you just went to their site and clicked on all the most expensive options and said that'll do. Do you know how to flush a custom loop?

Why thank you very much.

You know I was at Fry's today and the PC specialist guy down there was saying that Intel now has Kaby Lake (7th gen processors), which require a new Mobo, etc - and then he was telling me about the new HDD/SSD replacements called M.2, which he claims will replace SSD's, so now I am rethinking everything.

I do NOT want any type of liquid cooling if I can avoid it, but I do want a build that is within 90% of the best of them. If that means a single GTX1080, or two, I don't know. I also will be running HTC Vive and a 34" ultra widescreen, so if somebody wants to spec me out a Origin build, or just one on PCPartPicker, I am open to it!

Thank you guys very much,

 

[King$nake]

Also playing around PCPP, take a look - better? Would you guys recommend this for me?

CPU Intel Core i7-6950X

GPU Nvidia Titan X Pascal

SSD Samsung 960 Pro NVMe PCIe M.2 2TB

RAM G.SKILL Trident Z DDR4 3200 C14 4x16GB

HDD Seagate Barracuda Pro 10TB (2016)

MBD Asus RAMPAGE V EDITION 10

 

[S0ULphIRE]

Why thank you very much.

You know I was at Fry's today and the PC specialist guy down there was saying that Intel now has Kaby Lake (7th gen processors), which require a new Mobo, etc - and then he was telling me about the new HDD/SSD replacements called M.2, which he claims will replace SSD's, so now I am rethinking everything.

I do NOT want any type of liquid cooling if I can avoid it, but I do want a build that is within 90% of the best of them. If that means a single GTX1080, or two, I don't know. I also will be running HTC Vive and a 34" ultra widescreen, so if somebody wants to spec me out a Origin build, or just one on PCPartPicker, I am open to it!

I'd go something like this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dxr6Ps

I'm not sure of the benefits of going dual Titan X vs dual 1080's (to be honest I almost wouldn't even bother with the 2nd 1080), PP might be able to weigh in here with a bit more knowledge.

Benefits of this setup vs the one you picked though are:
* Z270 chipset
* Optane ready
* M.2 main drive instead of sata-based drive. Way quicker
* DDR4 memory & running at 3400Mhz instead of 2400Mhz

Lastly, I'd do some double-checking that the CPU heatsink I chose will fit the motherboard with all those heatsinks in there. I think it'll be fine, but yeah check to be safe if you're going to be running a 24x7 OC on your cpu, you might want to think about going with the NH-D15 or NH-D14 instead too.

edit: also, if you want to drop like $700 off the costs, you could go with a 1TB 960 Evo instead of a 2TB 960 Pro for your main drive. I mainly went with the pro so you could get 2TB (the evo version tops out at 1TB)

 

[PP Mguire]

Why thank you very much.

You know I was at Fry's today and the PC specialist guy down there was saying that Intel now has Kaby Lake (7th gen processors), which require a new Mobo, etc - and then he was telling me about the new HDD/SSD replacements called M.2, which he claims will replace SSD's, so now I am rethinking everything.

I do NOT want any type of liquid cooling if I can avoid it, but I do want a build that is within 90% of the best of them. If that means a single GTX1080, or two, I don't know. I also will be running HTC Vive and a 34" ultra widescreen, so if somebody wants to spec me out a Origin build, or just one on PCPartPicker, I am open to it!

Thank you guys very much,

Also playing around PCPP, take a look - better? Would you guys recommend this for me?

CPU Intel Core i7-6950X

GPU Nvidia Titan X Pascal

SSD Samsung 960 Pro NVMe PCIe M.2 2TB

RAM G.SKILL Trident Z DDR4 3200 C14 4x16GB

HDD Seagate Barracuda Pro 10TB (2016)

MBD Asus RAMPAGE V EDITION 10

I'd go something like this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dxr6Ps

I'm not sure of the benefits of going dual Titan X vs dual 1080's (to be honest I almost wouldn't even bother with the 2nd 1080), PP might be able to weigh in here with a bit more knowledge.

Benefits of this setup vs the one you picked though are:
* Z270 chipset
* Optane ready
* M.2 main drive instead of sata-based drive. Way quicker
* DDR4 memory & running at 3400Mhz instead of 2400Mhz

Lastly, I'd do some double-checking that the CPU heatsink I chose will fit the motherboard with all those heatsinks in there. I think it'll be fine, but yeah check to be safe if you're going to be running a 24x7 OC on your cpu, you might want to think about going with the NH-D15 or NH-D14 instead too.

edit: also, if you want to drop like $700 off the costs, you could go with a 1TB 960 Evo instead of a 2TB 960 Pro for your main drive. I mainly went with the pro so you could get 2TB (the evo version tops out at 1TB)

Just want to make a few corrections here.

Firstly, all the high end Origin builds are watercooled, and the one mentioned in the OP is a dual custom loop.

Second, M.2 is an interface, it runs SATA, PCI-E, and NVMe PCI-E SSDs.

Third, for any of these chips I recommend a closed loop cooler regardless of opinions on "water". They're 0 maintenance and as long as you don't do anything half retarded with the tubes they won't leak ever. There's a couple of reasons for this. THe first being, they provide superior cooling compared to any air setup. Second, depending on how the radiator and airflow is setup you'll need to clean it less often. To extend on that, you don't have to take the block off the CPU to clean the rad either making it less of a hassle and less likely to mess up on remount causing issues later. THey can also be setup to dump heat directly out of the case meaning less heat in the case to saturate the video cards.

Fourth, the Titan X Pascal is faster than both of my Maxwell Titans together in most situations, and a good deal faster than the 1080. With the money being tossed around, it'd be a waste to go with a 1080 or pair over a couple TItan X Pascal. I can do a direct comparison later if need be since I own the cards in question.

Fifth, I don't really see a need for a large NVMe OS drive over having larger SSD storage. If you plan to record game footage in high bitrate and edit on the same rig I still recommend having the large SATA SSD in the rig. As somebody who does just this there have been times where I wished I had bigger than 512GB SSDs in my rig for footage record drive and scratch. I recommend a good balance, maybe a 4TB EVO SATA and a 1TB 960 EVO for the boot. I do not recommend a RAID for the setup at all (in case that was your intention for the dual 4TB SSDs). Swinging back to the second point, 99% of applications you won't notice a difference in raw speeds differing between the NVMe and SATA SSDs. Most notably the difference lies in IOPS and that's what Optane drives are going for. Thing is, until we have an OS designed for these high speeds the difference is nill. This is why I still rock an older gen 2 4x PCI-E SSD and I wish I opted for a higher capacity M.2 SATA 850 EVO instead. I say this not only as an enthusiast but also a crappy content creator.

Sixth, RAM speed. No. For large amounts of RAM do not exceed 2400 or you could have stability issues. Actually for any rig I don't recommend faster unless being dealt with by an experienced user who has time to tweak settings to stabilize the machine. To top it off, there is 0 difference.

Seventh, I run a 34" Ultrawide 1440p currently with my older Maxwell Titans. It gets the job done easily, and the Vive even easier. The 1080s will easily tackle anything on either display BUT the Pascal Titans will hold a bit more longevity and help for those VR titles not utilizing SLI. One thing I want to make clear is, even with this setup it does not mean you'll continue to max out titles on the Ultrawide for the next 5 years. I expect the Pascal Titans to easily get overwhelmed in about 3 years when true DX12 titles release full force utilizing more of the tech. It's up to you whether you want to decide on a couple 1080s now then upgrade to post-Volta cards in 2019. If you don't mind turning down a bit of settings in 3-4 years then the Titans will suffice. Just don't expect miracles just because you're dropping 2400 on cards.

Finally, processor and motherboard. As somebody who uses Premiere Pro I will admit that dropping from 6 cores to what's essentially an i7 6700 it does the rendering with ease. That being said, I suggest the middle ground. If you don't want to do custom loop water I suggest against the 6950x because of it's lower clock speeds and settle for a 6900k which will be suitable for gaming and still have 16 threads for content creation. I also suggest not splurging on the expensive Asus board. If you aren't overclocking or benchmarking you'll be spending a massive amount of money to utilize 20% of the board. Now, if you just don't care then that's up to you.

All that being said, this is what I'd choose granted the situation.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wcHhd6

If money is no option at all I'd just get bigger storage. 2TB 960 Pro and/or second 4TB 850 EVO.

There are also two more options in the near future. A Ryzen 1800x or Skylake-X.