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Old 09-16-2007, 02:11 PM   #41 (permalink)
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ya but he gets along with me the best
i feel betrayed vernong i thought i was the one for you lol jk, these cpu's look like they perform very well on the gaming side, server side im not to sure. im starting to beleive the 3dmark 06 scores that the inq claimed.

and AMd has to be doing something right or else they wouldnt be reverting back to lower clock speeds they would be bringing them way up.
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wow this thread is still up n im amazed it's my thread lol.
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Yes, we love anything new and upcoming. I have no clue as to when this thread was even made lol. I don't look around too much.
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Here are some reviews from a good website regarding the Phenom:



AnandTech: AMD Phenom Preview: Barcelona Desktop Benchmarks
Barcelona is not Phenom. Barcelona is the new Opteron, which uses ECC RAM, and doesn't have HTT 3.0, and it's for socket 1207+

Phenom (Agena, not Barcelona) uses AM2+, HTT 3.0, and DDR2-1066 non-ECC RAM.
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So Barcelona is server only and Pheonom is regular computers. Man, I need to stick that in my mind. I've made this mistake before in the past trying to separate these two out. It's a massive restructuring AMD is going through.
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so are you saying the phenom is gonna be even better for gaming then? becasue the old opterons werent that bad either. and with a good over clock compete with a c2d.
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so are you saying the phenom is gonna be even better for gaming then? becasue the old opterons werent that bad either. and with a good over clock compete with a c2d.
yes, gaming always was one of K8's strengths. I expect no less from K10.
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yes, gaming always was one of K8's strengths. I expect no less from K10.
sweet, im definately holding out for one of these, because at heart i am an amd fanboy, but i do like performence.
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The current Core 2 Duo beats K8 by around 15% in gaming at the same clock speed. In other things like DivX encoding, photoshop, office applications intel beats K8 by about 25% and 30%

Penryn is going to be around 10% faster than the current Core 2 Duo in gaming. In other things it will be around 0 to 10% faster.
In programs that use SSE4 instruction like DivX6.6, Penryn is 100% faster than the current Core 2


So, in the other words if you compare Penryn with Barcelona, then Penryn would beat it in almost everything.


Phenom is going to have HTT 3.0, but how much difference HTT 3.0 will make ? 3% or 5% ?

HTT 3.0 is not going to save AMD

Not to mention that K10 performs very bad in non gaming application like encoding, office application etc. Just look at Barcelona performance in DivX 6.6 encoding compared to K8 (only 11%). Pernyn is going to be twice as fast as the current Core 2 in DivX 6.6, if Barcelona can't beat the Core 2 in DivX6.6 encoding then how it will able to compete with Pernyn

The only place where AMD might beat Intel in is the synthetic benchmarks like 3dmark and PCmark. But who cares ? 3dmark and PCmark are noting. They are programs that only score points and they don't tell you which processor is better


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Few moths ago many rumors, and many AMD fanboys ( like Apokalipse) claimed that AMD Barcelona is going to be around 40% faster than Intel processors.

But AMD Barcelona just came out, and they are not as good as what AMD fanboys claimed. Not even close


If you read older threads here you will see many AMD fanboys making posts like "AMD is going to beat Intel", "K10 is 40% faster than Intel", "AMD is better because there processors are "true" quad core" blahbalbalabala etc............... If you read those rumors and lies, you would thing that k10 is going to be the ultimate processor that noting will be able to touch it !!


Next time I hope that AMD fanboys wait for the actual results before they open their mouths


I don't want to make any war here, but people should wait for actual results instead of hype and rumors.

EDIT: And in Anandtech conclusion, it says that the new architecture from AMD is not powerful enough to compete with Intel Penryn

And it also says that the Phenom chip is large chip, and Penryn is a small chip. In other words, intel have the ability to reduce the price of Penryn without losing a lot of money.

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AnandTech: AMD Phenom Preview: Barcelona Desktop Benchmarks
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The current Core 2 Duo beats K8 by around 15% in gaming at the same clock speed. In other things like DivX encoding, photoshop, office applications intel beats K8 by about 25% and 30%

Penryn is going to be around 10% faster than the current Core 2 Duo in gaming. In other things it will be around 0 to 10% faster.
In programs that use SSE4 instruction like DivX6.6, Penryn is 100% faster than the current Core 2


So, in the other words if you compare Penryn with Barcelona, then Penryn would beat it in almost everything.


Phenom is going to have HTT 3.0, but how much difference HTT 3.0 will make ? 3% or 5% ?

HTT 3.0 is not going to save AMD

Not to mention that K10 performs very bad in non gaming application like encoding, office application etc. Just look at Barcelona performance in DivX 6.6 encoding compared to K8 (only 11%). Pernyn is going to be twice as fast as the current Core 2 in DivX 6.6, if Barcelona can't beat the Core 2 in DivX6.6 encoding then how it will able to compete with Pernyn

The only place where AMD might beat Intel in is the synthetic benchmarks like 3dmark and PCmark. But who cares ? 3dmark and PCmark are noting. They are programs that only score points and they don't tell you which processor is better


...............

Few moths ago many rumors, and many AMD fanboys ( like Apokalipse) claimed that AMD Barcelona is going to be around 40% faster than Intel processors.

But AMD Barcelona just came out, and they are not as good as what AMD fanboys claimed. Not even close


If you read older threads here you will see many AMD fanboys making posts like "AMD is going to beat Intel", "K10 is 40% faster than Intel", "AMD is better because there processors are "true" quad core" blahbalbalabala etc


Next time I hope that AMD fanboys wait for the actual results before they open their mouths


I don't want to make here any war here, but people should wait for actual results instead of hype and rumors.
but we haven't seen Intel Stuff either.. so far its just hype... (don't flame me if i'm wrong.. and i'm not a fanboy as repeated by me atleast 1,000 times)
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