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Old 08-19-2011, 03:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default 6950 or 570... that is the question

hey guys,

doing research on my new build to replace my sig rig that i sold, i am so torn between what graphics card to use, i am and AMD fanboy, but the benchmarks dont lie, the 570 pulls ahead in alot of times... BUT a lot of people have had success in flashing a 6970 bios onto a 6950, also the 6950 is about $80 cheaper.... these are the 2 graphics cards im looking at, absolutely HAS to have a non-reference cooler on it, my only demand... so, is the GTX570 worth the extra money? on this build im going to pure stealth, no lights, no LED fans and extremely quiet.

MSI R6950 Twin Frozr II
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Case: $35
NZXT Gamma
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Western Digital Caviar Black WD5002AALX 500GB 7200 RPM
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CPU Cooler: $25
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Old 08-23-2011, 07:56 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: 6950 or 570... that is the question

I don't know about the BIOS flashing but all the stats I saw, show that for gaming anyways, the 570 is better so I would go with that.
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Old 08-23-2011, 10:11 AM   #3 (permalink)
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generally, AMD is better than Nvidia and Intel in the bang for your buck, So, if you're willing to dish out extra money for the 570 and get better performance, go for it. no one's stopping you. i would personally go witht he 6950 because of the high performance from the power it consumes and the price.
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Sorry flip, youre wrong. Each companby has a sweet card at a price, sometimes nvidia wins and other times AMD does.

You should look at the results achieved for the games you play and decide.
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Default Re: 6950 or 570... that is the question

I started a reply about the cooler having to work overtime since its expecting to cool a 6950, and you just turned it into a 6970, which I thought would ruin your stealth objective.

According to AnandTech the 6950 and 6970 are about the same temp wise at idle, and the 70 is only about 3 degrees higher under load, so the cooler shouldn't start whining at you for that reason.

If you love AMD, then you love AMD. Go for the 6950 and flash that mofo.
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From what I've seen the 6970 just barely performs better than the GTX 560 Ti, like marginal difference. One frame. (in Crysis, maxed, 1680x1050)

Though in other things the 6970 often pulls a bit further ahead of the 560 Ti.

I'd probably try the 6950 and flash it.

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I would skip the MSI card with the "fancy heatsink" and buy a EVGA with a lifetime warranty, and save the cash. You can always buy an aftermarket cooler later if you need it, and the aftermarket will be better than the solution MSI is selling.

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Agreed. My GTX 560 Ti runs at about 68c while on 50% fan...and that's even the Superclocked version. Default is 30%, but I have EVGA Precision and set it to automatically change fan speeds according to temp. 30% is nearly silent, but anything lower than 60% is good for me.
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Keep in mind that if you plan on using this as a htpc you won't be able to get DTS HD or DTS MA out of the GT 570. This can be done with the 6950 and 6970. This was the deal breaker for me choosing the 6970. I have a 7.1 setup in my home theater and this card can process these formats.

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