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Old 06-03-2007, 05:35 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Its not about the CPU speed. Its about the motherboard bottlenecking the entire computer for gaming.

For starters, the motherboards that support Duel Xeon 771 Do not support SLI (link below of Duel Socket 771 Motherboards). So now, our duel CPU computer is already limited to 1 graphics card. The advantages of the server style motherboard are more ram, and two CPUs. Both of which will never make up for the fact that your running 1 graphics card. This has be proven when a single 8800gtx was put with a kentsfield (more or less the same as clovertown) and the CPU bottleneck was not hit (even with dry ice cooling and overclocking) until the second graphics card was added. The Builder then stated "it's all CPU bottlenecked now" (link below). It addition to the graphics card issue, the server motherboards that handle the Xeon CPU's are not the greatest at overclocking, usually reaching slower speeds then the LGA775 boards. Server boards have more ram, but in gaming, it not important because they are running at slower speeds, typically 667. A game is bottlenecked by speed of the ram, not the size. So for the typical gamer with tons of money, a single CPU solution would be much more desirable then a Duel CPU. I can think of many cases that I'd rather have a duel server style computer, but gaming is not one of those cases.

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Most xeons are LGA775 now, and run a 1066 bus, the same as most core 2 duos, eg:

Intel Xeon 3200 Series X3220 "LGA775 Kentsfield" 2.40GHz (1066FSB) - Retail

Also, these days, Xeons are usually the SAME CPU anyway, just sold as "Xeon" with a higher price tag. What actually is the difference between that xeon ^^^ and this:
Intel Core 2 Quad Pro Q6600 "LGA775 Kentsfield" 2.40GHz (1066FSB) - Retail
Only the fact that the Xeon is rated for lower volts.

While it is true a Dual CPU board may not be quite as good, you don't have to run one. Just stick it in a supporting LGA775 board.
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Old 06-03-2007, 06:08 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Its not about the CPU speed. Its about the motherboard bottlenecking the entire computer for gaming.

For starters, the motherboards that support Duel Xeon 771 Do not support SLI (link below of Duel Socket 771 Motherboards). So now, our duel CPU computer is already limited to 1 graphics card. The advantages of the server style motherboard are more ram, and two CPUs. Both of which will never make up for the fact that your running 1 graphics card. This has be proven when a single 8800gtx was put with a kentsfield (more or less the same as clovertown) and the CPU bottleneck was not hit (even with dry ice cooling and overclocking) until the second graphics card was added. The Builder then stated "it's all CPU bottlenecked now" (link below). It addition to the graphics card issue, the server motherboards that handle the Xeon CPU's are not the greatest at overclocking, usually reaching slower speeds then the LGA775 boards. Server boards have more ram, but in gaming, it not important because they are running at slower speeds, typically 667. A game is bottlenecked by speed of the ram, not the size. So for the typical gamer with tons of money, a single CPU solution would be much more desirable then a Duel CPU. I can think of many cases that I'd rather have a duel server style computer, but gaming is not one of those cases.
Only if you get a 771 Xeon - there are many 775 Xeons available! the X32xx series are all 775. And to be honest - with FB-DIMMs now available the performance is pretty good anyway. 2 Kents in a board with an 8800Ultra or a HD2900XT-X when they are released would be one kickass rig anyway!

If you're spending 20k on a rig - then you would want:

QX6800 and Phase Change cooling system to go with
P35 DDR3 motherboard - water cooled
4/6GB of DDR3 - water cooled also
x3 8800Ultras x2 SLi (one for your other monitor) - all water cooled
PCI-e SATA Controller with x8 750GB in RAID0+1 (and a few Gigabyte iRAMs also)
Enermax Galaxy 1KW+ Unit
Buggeroff great case
x2 52" HD Plasma Displays
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Only if you get a 771 Xeon - there are many 775 Xeons available! the X32xx series are all 775. And to be honest - with FB-DIMMs now available the performance is pretty good anyway. 2 Kents in a board with an 8800Ultra or a HD2900XT-X when they are released would be one kickass rig anyway!

If you're spending 20k on a rig - then you would want:

QX6800 and Phase Change cooling system to go with
P35 DDR3 motherboard - water cooled
4/6GB of DDR3 - water cooled also
x3 8800Ultras x2 SLi (one for your other monitor) - all water cooled
PCI-e SATA Controller with x8 750GB in RAID0+1 (and a few Gigabyte iRAMs also)
Enermax Galaxy 1KW+ Unit
Buggeroff great case
x2 52" HD Plasma Displays
I'd get some SCSI or SAS disks.
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Case: Thermaltake MozartTx VE1000SWA Silver $249.99
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Power PC Power & Cooling Turbo-Cool 1KW $519.99
Newegg.com - PC Power & Cooling Turbo-Cool 1KW-SR EPS12V 1000W Continuous @ 50įC Power Supply 100 - 240 V UL, cUL, CE, TUV, RoHS - Retail

Components

Motherboard: Asus Striker Extreme nForce 680i $309.99
Newegg.com - ASUS Striker Extreme LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX The Ultimate Gaming Motherboard - Retail
CPU: Core 2 Extreme QX6700 $968.00
Newegg.com - Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700 Kentsfield 2.66GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor - Retail
Ram 1: CORSAIR Dominator 2GB $610.00
Newegg.com - CORSAIR Dominator 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1111 (PC2 8888) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
Ram 2: CORSAIR Dominator 2GB $610.00


Graphics 1: BFG Tech GeForce 8800GTX 768MB $939.99
Newegg.com - BFG Tech BFGR88768GTXOCWCE GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Water Cooled Edition HDCP Video Card - Retail
Graphics 2: BFG Tech GeForce 8800GTX 768MB$939.99

Sound: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Elite 7.1 $259.99
Newegg.com - Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Elite 7.1 Channels 24-bit 192KHz PCI Interface Sound Card - Retail
Lan: LINKSYS WMP54GX $99.99
Newegg.com - LINKSYS WMP54GX IEEE 802.11b/g PCI Wireless-G Adapter with SRX up to 108Mbps Data Rates WPA, WPA2, 64/128bit WEP, and 802.1x - Retail

Drives

Hard Drive 1: Western Digital Raptor X $209.99
Newegg.com - Western Digital Raptor X WD1500AHFD 150GB 10,000 RPM 16MB Cache Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM
Hard Drive 2: Western Digital Raptor X $219.99

Optical 1: Sony Blu-Ray $659.99
Newegg.com - SONY 8X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 4X DVD+R DL 8X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 5X DVD-RAM 2X BD-R 2X BD-RE 2X BD-ROM 8X DVD-ROM 24X CD-R 16X CD-RW 32X CD-ROM 8M Cache P-ATA/E-IDE Blu-ray DVD Burner - Retail
Optical 2: Sony Blu-Ray $659.99

Cooling

Pump Swiftech MCP655 $76.99
Swiftech MCP655 Water Pump: CrazyPC Computers
Reservoir Thermaltake AquaBay Res $29.99
Thermaltake AquaBay M3 Liquid Tank CL-W0031: CrazyPC Computers
Radiator Thermaltake Aqua TMG2 $64.9
Thermaltake Aqua TMG2 Radiator CL-W0098: CrazyPC Computers
CPU Cooling Prometeia Mach II GT Cooler Unit $899.99
Prometeia Mach II GT Cooler Unit: CrazyPC Computers
HD Cooler Thermaltake Aquabay HD $34.99
Thermaltake Aquabay M4 HDD Waterblock CL-W0082: CrazyPC Computers
Ram Cooling 1 RAM-30-V06 $49.99
RAM-30-V06 (Dual DDR/DDR2/SD) [6mm, 1/4"] - Water cooling systems, pc liquid cooling kit, cpu, video card, hard drive
Ram Cooling 2 RAM-30-V06 $49.99

Accessories

Monitor: SyncMaster 305T 30" $1,489.95
Samsung SyncMaster 305T 30" Widescreen LCD Computer Monitor (Black)
[b] Mouse: Logitech G7 $69.99
Newegg.com - Logitech G7 Black 6 Buttons Tilt Wheel USB RF Wireless Laser Mouse - Retail
Pad: iCEMAT 2nd Edition $29.99
Newegg.com - iCEMAT 2nd Edition 10013 SILVER Mouse Pad - Retail
Keyboard: Logitech G15 2-Tone 104 $71.99
Newegg.com - Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard - Retail
Speakers: Creative GigaWorks G550W $335.99
Newegg.com - Creative GigaWorks G550W 310 W 5.1 Speaker - Retail

Total: $10,462.73 + shipping
lol ill go with this thanks. but when penryn and ddr3 come out, ill tell him, and he'll but updating again o.o
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20k.... woah, get dual 8800 gtx and 30 inch screen
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I'd say put a bd drive in it, and a nice 42" widescreen...
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dumb, da, dumb, dumb, dumbbbbbbbbbb.....
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Old 06-04-2007, 06:08 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Oh god! I almost forgot - x4 15k RPM SCSI drives!

Thinking about it - the new AMD Opteron Socket F chips would be better-

Asus L1N64-SLi WS - Liquid Cooled
x2 AMD Athlon FX-74 - Both Under Phase Change
x4 8800Ultras in Quad SLi for 4 monitors - Liquid Cooled d
4GB of OCZ Dominator PC8888 4-4-4-12 (£820 in itself) - Liquid Cooled
PCP&C Turbo Cool 1KW 80A Peak@12v
x4 15k SCSI Drives in RAID0
x12 1TB Hard Drives for 12TB Storage - all with Liquid cooling
X-Fi Elite Pro
x2 Blu-Ray Writers
x4 Plextor SATA Burners

And I think I might have actually gone over budget! And that PSU will probably start struggling!
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