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Old 05-19-2006, 06:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default What would you choos? AMD 64 3200 Claw vs 3000 Venice

Venice 3000 w/heat sink & fan $110 ~and a free T-shirt too!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103537

I hear the venice core is a much better core. The included HSF should to finel. What is really the difference between a 3200 and 3000?

Clawhammer 3200 $100 OEM (no HSF?)
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...A64-32009X%20C

So I'm not sure which to go with. Got any ideas?

Is there any more info on the AMD price cut rumor? Is it soon, will it affect these CPU's?

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Old 05-19-2006, 06:34 PM   #2 (permalink)
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get the venice, its a newer core.

What die size is the clawhammer?
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Old 05-19-2006, 06:43 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Processor AMD Athlon™ 64
Model 3200+
Ordering P/N (Tray) ADA3200DAA4BW
Ordering P/N (PIB) ADA3200BPBOX
Operating Mode 32/64
Stepping E6
Frequency 2000Mhz
HT Speed 2000
Voltage 1.35-1.40 V
Max Temp 49-65°C
Thermal Power 67W
L1 Cache 128KB
L2 Cache 512KB
CMOS Technology 90nm SOI
Socket Socket 939


Hmm, I thought clawhammers were 130nm chips but that model number is for a 90nm chip.... It actually has the same PIB as the venice... Hmmm

This is what we should see:

Clawhammer (130 nm SOI)
* CPU-Stepping: C0, CG
* L1-Cache: 64 + 64 KiB (Data + Instructions)
* L2-Cache: 1024 KiB, fullspeed
* MMX, Extended 3DNow!, SSE, SSE2, AMD64, Cool'n'Quiet, NX Bit (only CG)
* Socket 754, 800 MHz HyperTransport (HT800)
* Socket 939, 1000 MHz HyperTransport (HT1000)
* VCore: 1.50 V
* Power Consumption (TDP): 89 Watt max
* First Release: September 23, 2003
* Clockrate: 2000 - 2600 MHz


Venice (90 nm SOI)
* CPU-Stepping: E3, E6
* L1-Cache: 64 + 64 KiB (Data + Instructions)
* L2-Cache: 512 KiB, fullspeed
* MMX, Extended 3DNow!, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, AMD64, Cool'n'Quiet, NX Bit
* Socket 754, 800 MHz HyperTransport (HT800)
* Socket 939, 1000 MHz HyperTransport (HT1000)
* VCore: 1.35 V or 1.40 V
* Power Consumption (TDP): 67 Watt max
* First Release: April 4, 2005
* Clockrate: 1800 - 2400 MHz


It looks to me like that clawhammer is actually a venice unless tigerdirect have screwed up...
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Not sure what all that detail was but I thik it has something to do with the nano(_?_) or size/dimentions of the chip. Can't hardly remember anything anymore. Last I recall the smallest a chip got was in the 110 nano(something) range.

NE lists AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Venice has a:
Process Type 90 nm
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thats because the venice is a 90nm core, the Clawhammer should be a 130nm core. well i think the answer is clear, come on the venice even comes with a free shirt . the venice will overclock a heck of a lot better and consume far less power than the clawhammer. if you never intend to overclock and don't care about your power bill then maybe the clawhammer but otherwise stick to the venice
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Trust me, you want the 3000+ Venice, I just built my new machine with it, and it is a rocket. Runs at a nice low temperature when overclocked. I actually didnt leave it overclocked for long, because I didnt see any REAL performance gains, but I am sure if you take it to the max, you will see all of what it can do. Besides you get a t-shirt!
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I was leaning toward getting the shirt so I think I'll get the venice that goes with it. Besides it can keep me warm now that my office w/b so cool Muwaaahaaahaaaaha..haha :laughing:

You guys rock, thanks for the input. I did some searching and found I was on the right track. NM IS nanometer but I had no idea they passed the 90nm mark. Last time looked it up they were in the 120nm's or something like that.

Check out what I found on Wikipedia:
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Samsung is already deploying 50 nm process technology for NAND flash memory.
Can't wait for my 100MP Nikon!

Hey, what does that 3000 or 3200 represent?

Any truth to an AMD price drop?
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the numbers are called p-ratings. its an aproximate performance rating in mhz compared to the original thunderbird athlons. so say a 3200+ is equivelant to a thunderbird at 3.2ghz. it just so happens that the thunderbird is roughly the same in terms of efficiency as a pentium 4 prescott so that means the p-rating can actually compare to a pentium 4, therefore 3200+= approximately 3.2ghz and above.

also just thought you would like to know that IBM has broken the theoretical 32nm limit of transistor size, seeing as you seem interested.
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IMO, it really depends on if you are going to overclock. Sure, the Venice is a newer core, that runs cooler and can overclock a bit better. But, if you aren't going to overclock at all, then you might as well get the 3200. The 3200 outperforms the 3000, regardless of core.
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