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Old 02-03-2008, 12:45 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Newegg.com - EVGA 512-P3-N802-AR GeForce 8800GT Superclocked 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail

So even for this video card i would need that Power supply?

crap for only 50 more watts

Can i play crysis with these video card?
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Old 02-03-2008, 11:47 AM   #12 (permalink)
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at maxed out, your going to get FPS hiccups, particularly with that CPU in there...

and watts don't matter.... people don't learn that



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If you are looking to maximize the performance in a build then the power supply is something you want to research a lot. I do want to stress the fact though that if you buy a cheaper PSU make sure you know which are "trusted" power sources so you don't fry your system. I may be telling you to look into cheaper PSU's but I am in no way telling you to look into cheaper quality ones. There is a HUGE difference in the two."

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it is all about the amps, not wattage.

And the cpu will not run fast enough to keep up with your new graphics card, therefore, your new graphics card will be slowed down because of the cpu. That is what they are saying about a bottleneck
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Cooler Master 500w Power supply is $40 and $10 after MIR.


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at maxed out, your going to get FPS hiccups, particularly with that CPU in there...

and watts don't matter.... people don't learn that



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"The Power Source is the most common part that people spend too much on. With all the ad's in magazines and online about "1000w rated PSU's for the high-performance PC! many people have got the wrong impression of what they need to power their system with ease. The most IMPORTANT thing to note about power supplies are that how much power a system needs is in no way the amount of "watts" rated. For most PC's these days what you should be looking at is the amount of Amps rated on the 12v rails. The components that draw the most power on your system use the power on the 12V rails. CPU's, and Video cards draw power from the 12V alone and just those two can easily hit well over 300w's alone. The other rails don't really worry about too much if you can meet the needs of the 12V's, especially on a gaming PC. When choosing a power source you should find out how many amps combined it has the on the 12's first, and on PSU's with multiple rails you cannot simply just add the amps up on both rails as it's nowhere that simple of a process. Most of the better quality trusted PSU's will tell you on the side label or in the specs the actual amperage the 12V rails give off. So then before you even starting looking for a PSU that will work for your needs, you must then know how many amps you need to safely power your system right? To find out this the only thing I can really tell you is to research how many your system will actually need. I will tell you now though that most likely the total your system will need will be a LOT less than that of what the really expensive PSUs have. A Quad-Core system at around 3.6ghz with an 8800Ultra heavily overclocked, a couple hard drives, and a couple optical drives will easily run on a trusted PSU that is rated around 40amps if not less. The Corsair 5500VX has a combined total of 41amps on the 12V's and can be had for only $100 bucks at the moment which is quite a cheap PSU compared to how expensive the other parts are right? This is just simply because people don't really realize how little power their systems actually need to run smoothly and safely. The average system will NOT need a very expensive power supply to run everything well. There are a few budget yet trusted power supplies that can be had for around $50 that will power the majority of gaming systems safely. The reason why there are all these expensive PSU's out there costing so much is quoted by B1gapl "most people usually go the "better to be safe, than sorry" method, with choosing power supplies.....but what they don't know, is that the safe bar is much lower, than it is"
If you are looking to maximize the performance in a build then the power supply is something you want to research a lot. I do want to stress the fact though that if you buy a cheaper PSU make sure you know which are "trusted" power sources so you don't fry your system. I may be telling you to look into cheaper PSU's but I am in no way telling you to look into cheaper quality ones. There is a HUGE difference in the two."

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I understand about the amps on the 12v rails but does that mean watts dont count for anything anymore?
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I understand about the amps on the 12v rails but does that mean watts dont count for anything anymore?
They do, but not as much at amps. At a point, you do want a higher wattage, but it takes a fair amount to reach that point.

People get confused, because they see 500 watts they think its good, but it might not be.
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Ya back when i first started picking out parts i picked out my 800 wat because i was like

"zomg 800 wat"

that reminds me i should check out the 12v rails...
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Ya back when i first started picking out parts i picked out my 800 wat because i was like

"zomg 800 wat"

that reminds me i should check out the 12v rails...
well if you read what vernog posted, most of the higher end ones have loads. You really only get caught by paying too much, or not paying enough. You probably paid too much, and it probably has loads that you dont need. You can get caught by not payin enough because your 500 or 400 might not have the amps that it needs
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exactly, there could be a Codegen 800w, that has most of the wattage coming from the 3.3v Rails, which is BAD!!!

the Amperage = the Voltage in the Rails times a certain number or something like that, go check out a 3dgameman review of a PSU and he explains it all
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Wow thanks for so many replays

I thinks i am going for

PSU
Newegg.com - CORSAIR CMPSU-450VX ATX12V V2.2 450W Power Supply 90 - 264 V UL, CUL, CE, CB, FCC Class B, TUV, CCC, C-tick - Retail
and this video card
Newegg.com - EVGA 512-P3-N802-AR GeForce 8800GT Superclocked 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
or maybe

Newegg.com - PNY VCG88512GXPB G92 GeForce 8800GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 PureVideo HD Technology HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail

which will be a total of 360dll

lol

help deciding for the video car!!!

maybe this will help too

Newegg.com - Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor - Retail

Total of $614dlls
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