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Old 03-06-2009, 05:44 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Also, I am in Toronto, Canada, so I can take advantage of any deal pricing you may know there, but probably wouldn't be able to buy something from newegg.com for example.

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I actually paid $350 for the 3.4ghz one, Off-lease (refurbished from "fortune 500 companies")

I was gonna spend about $150 more on a graphics card, since m old one is crummy and AGP.

My budget if I were to build one from scratch would be ~400-500, and I already have the sound card (Sound Blaster Audigy 4). I think currently I can get 2gb DDR2 ram for $30, that is really the only deal I know of.
I still have a few days to return this, so if you guys could come up with a better alternative I would love to hear it.
Also, I am in Toronto, Canada, so I can take advantage of any deal pricing you may know there, but probably wouldn't be able to buy something from newegg.com for example.

Thanks so much for your help to date.
If you can return that pc you should. A p4 isn't worth anywhere close to $350.

These parts would cost $387 and would give you a much faster system.

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Agreed, even the pentium D isn't worth $350. You should definitely return that PC if you can.
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I actually paid $350 for the 3.4ghz one, Off-lease (refurbished from "fortune 500 companies")

I was gonna spend about $150 more on a graphics card, since m old one is crummy and AGP.

My budget if I were to build one from scratch would be ~400-500, and I already have the sound card (Sound Blaster Audigy 4). I think currently I can get 2gb DDR2 ram for $30, that is really the only deal I know of.
I still have a few days to return this, so if you guys could come up with a better alternative I would love to hear it.
Also, I am in Toronto, Canada, so I can take advantage of any deal pricing you may know there, but probably wouldn't be able to buy something from newegg.com for example.

Thanks so much for your help to date.
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If you can return that pc you should. A p4 isn't worth anywhere close to $350.

These parts would cost $387 and would give you a much faster system.

Newegg.ca - LITE-ON Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM SATA 22X DVD Burner - CD / DVD Burners

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The Pentium D @ 3.0 gHz with 3GB ram and 500gb hd would be about $320.

To Puddle Jumper: -I don't need the HD, as I've got a nice 400gb SATA one.
-Is there any way to get cheaper RAM? Does the manufacturer play a big part in the quality of it?
-That's a cool case, but I don't care about how my computer looks, so can we save some money there somehow?
-If newegg charges a lot for shipping, maybe tigerdirect.ca will have some of the parts? PLus TD has stores I can actually go to pick these things up?
-I noticed you didn't suggest a graphics card for me. I need one with S-Video out/in(not both, whichever makes the pc go to the TV)
-Excuse my ignorance, but how is a single 2.7ghz processor better than a Duo 3.0ghz?
-That being said, with all these price cuts I mentioned above, could we do a little better on the processor?
-That mobo looks like its just PCI-e, but my Sound blaster audigy 4 uses PCI. What would I do with it?

Thank you all for your help so far! I will definitely return this 3.4ghz on monday.
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^ the sound card uses pci, yes, the mobo has a pci slot on it.

the x2 7750 will kill that pentium d and is a dual core.

case is really personal perference, get what ever makes you happy.

go with newegg, they have a much better selection than td.

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The Pentium D @ 3.0 gHz with 3GB ram and 500gb hd would be about $320.

To Puddle Jumper: -I don't need the HD, as I've got a nice 400gb SATA one.
-Is there any way to get cheaper RAM? Does the manufacturer play a big part in the quality of it?
-That's a cool case, but I don't care about how my computer looks, so can we save some money there somehow?
-If newegg charges a lot for shipping, maybe tigerdirect.ca will have some of the parts? PLus TD has stores I can actually go to pick these things up?
-I noticed you didn't suggest a graphics card for me. I need one with S-Video out/in(not both, whichever makes the pc go to the TV)
-Excuse my ignorance, but how is a single 2.7ghz processor better than a Duo 3.0ghz?
-That being said, with all these price cuts I mentioned above, could we do a little better on the processor?
-That mobo looks like its just PCI-e, but my Sound blaster audigy 4 uses PCI. What would I do with it?

Thank you all for your help so far! I will definitely return this 3.4ghz on monday.
Getting a cheaper case will only make things more difficult in the long run. I suggested the Elite 330 because it is well built and has good cooling while still being relatively cheap.

Newegg tends to have much better prices than tigerdirect.

The motherboard has onboard video witha hdmi output that can be used to connect it to a tv. If your tv doesn't have hdmi you could add a HD 3450 which will have s video and can be run in hybrid crossfire with the motherboards onboard video to improve performance. The hd 4670 philbar posted would also work.

As philbar already said the x27750 is a dual core and is considerably faster than any pentium D regardless of its clock speed.
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The Pentium D @ 3.0 gHz with 3GB ram and 500gb hd would be about $320.

To Puddle Jumper: -I don't need the HD, as I've got a nice 400gb SATA one.
-Is there any way to get cheaper RAM? Does the manufacturer play a big part in the quality of it?
-That's a cool case, but I don't care about how my computer looks, so can we save some money there somehow?
-If newegg charges a lot for shipping, maybe tigerdirect.ca will have some of the parts? PLus TD has stores I can actually go to pick these things up?
-I noticed you didn't suggest a graphics card for me. I need one with S-Video out/in(not both, whichever makes the pc go to the TV)
-Excuse my ignorance, but how is a single 2.7ghz processor better than a Duo 3.0ghz?
-That being said, with all these price cuts I mentioned above, could we do a little better on the processor?
-That mobo looks like its just PCI-e, but my Sound blaster audigy 4 uses PCI. What would I do with it?

Thank you all for your help so far! I will definitely return this 3.4ghz on monday.
You could get cheaper RAM, but puddle would not suggest it if it wasn't worth it.

The elite 330 is one of the best budget cases I have come across, it's already pretty cheap but yes, you could get an even cheaper one. You should note though that the right case can be the most enduring component of the PC and can remain unchanged through many upgrades. Like the PSU it's really not worth going too cheap if you are sacrificing quality.

Pentium Ds lost out massively against lower clocked x2 CPUs of the same age. That old Pentium doesn't stand a chance against a new x2, it's not even a close contest.

EDIT: My typing is too slow lol
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I just ran across this ram that is still good and is a little cheaper than the gskill.

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By 2x do you mean I should buy two of that processor? And is there any significantly better processor for only a little more cash?

Also, my monitor uses VGA (the blue one, maybe its called DVI?, but I'm pretty sure it isn't on that hd4670). Does the crossfire thing mean that I can still use the ports from the Mobo?
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