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Old 05-16-2010, 08:12 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I bought a refurbished HP compaq d530 CMT desktop computer to play around with and work on. It has a 40gig hard drive, 1g memory (I think two 512mb sticks) and an Intel Pentium 4 2.8 GHz processor. Needless to say these are pretty low specs. I think the CPU is just a single core (not for sure), so I was thinking of replacing it with this:

Newegg.com - AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor

Do you know if I will be able to drop this in on the stock motherboard or will I have to buy an aftermarket motherboard? Is there one you would recommend? I think my stock pin configuration on the CPU is 478.


Also, it has a Intel 82865G Video Graphics Card. I was thinking of replacing that with this:

Newegg.com - SAPPHIRE 100253HDMI Radeon HD 4650 512MB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Low Profile Ready Video Card

Sound good?

Last but not least, If i purchase all of the above, I am going to buy two 2gig DDR3 RAM sticks. Would there be a problem at all with this?

Your help is much appreciated,

Thanks,
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Old 05-16-2010, 09:34 AM   #2 (permalink)
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For reference: Hewlett Packard Compaq d530 CMT (PB600A) PC Desktop - Product details and features - DealTime

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Do you know if I will be able to drop this in on the stock motherboard or will I have to buy an aftermarket motherboard? Is there one you would recommend? I think my stock pin configuration on the CPU is 478.
You definitely won't be able to use that new CPU - for starters it's a different company, meaning it will be a different socket. 'AMD' and 'Intel' CPUs aren't interchangeable.
If you want to use that CPU, you'll need to buy a new motherboard with the right socket.

This would be your only option by the way; there are no CPUs made nowadays that have the same socket as the Pentium 4s, so you won't be able to just upgrade the CPU.

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Also, it has a Intel 82865G Video Graphics Card. I was thinking of replacing that with this:
Again, you probably won't be able to get a new card - your current motherboard has an AGP slot for video cards - the one you selected needs a PCI-E slot; as all cards from the past 4+ years do. So again, if you want to get a new video card, you'll need to upgrade the motherboard.

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Last but not least, If i purchase all of the above, I am going to buy two 2gig DDR3 RAM sticks.
I think you can guess what I'm going to say here :P Any new RAM won't fit in your current motherboard. DDR, DDR2 and DDR3 are all different 'slots', with different pin configurations. Meaning that to use DDR3, you'll need a motherboard with DDR3 slots.

We can help you pick and choose new parts if you want; but let me warn you that upgrading a machine as old as this generally means upgrading pretty much every part, since a new motherboard might not be compatible with older parts; for example the power supply in the old machine might not be powerful enough, as is often the case, or not have some new, now-required power plugs.

Hope this helps you
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You'll also have to replace the power supply because the motherboard for that new cpu will require a 24 pin power connector and more power than it's capable of producing.

The rest of the hardware in your case (which might not work) are drives which should be replaced every 2-3 years (Max.) just to insure reliable data storage.

And finally, you'll need a new copy of Windows 7 so your new hardware will function properly in the upcoming years as Windows XP is nearing it's End of Support date.

How much money can you budget for this new PC?
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Wow! Thanks for all your help! So it definitely sounds like I need a lot of new parts. I have no set budget, but it would be nice if I could spend less than $500. So...I need a new power supply (500 watt?), a motherboard, and then my RAM, CPU and then my video/graphics card. What about cooling? Do you think I need a new fan? Could I just use the stock one? Do I need a new sound card or do most boards have them built in?

I can live with 40gigs of hard drive space.

Here are the parts I was thinking about getting:

CPU:
AMD Phenom II X4 955

Motherboard:
This

or

cheaper option

Graphics card:
How's this?

Well gosh I might as well just get a new case that comes with a power supply. It's only a bit more than the power supply itself.

Thoughts?

Thanks so much
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well, you're pretty much looking at a whole rebuild. you could re-use your hdd since you can live w/ 40gb and you could also re-use your optical drive.

to help you pick some new parts though, we need to know what you plan on using your pc for.
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Newegg.com - Rosewill R519-BK Black Computer Case 500W Power Supply
$65

Newegg.com - AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor
$160

Newegg.com - ASRock M3A785GXH/128M AM3 AMD 785G HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
$92

Newegg.com - A-DATA 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model AD3U1333B2G9-DRH
$103

Newegg.com - XFX HD-577A-ZNFC Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
$170

$446 plus shipping
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Old 05-17-2010, 06:23 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Thanks for the build list! I noticed the motherboard was out of stock...how about this one: Newegg.com - BIOSTAR TH55B HD LGA 1156 Intel H55 HDMI Micro ATX Intel Motherboard

It has on-board audio I think.
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hey Trotter, i think you either forgot to list something else in your build or you had a slight miscalculation in your total somewhere, because those parts you listed would total around $590.

@ Daedulas, no that mobo would not work. that mobo is for intel's socket 1156 cpus, a compatible mobo for Trotter's build would require an amd socket am3 mobo.

heres another build you could look at though, totals $525 w/ free shipping and a possible $60 back in rebates.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...t=Combo.392561
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if that price is too high for you, you could downgrade the cpu, downgrade the gfx card, and/or get less ram.
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