Advice Wanted: Buying Base Unit - Techist - Tech Forum

Go Back   Techist - Tech Forum > Computer Hardware > System Upgrades
Click Here to Login
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 12-07-2009, 09:51 AM   #1 (permalink)
Newb Techie
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 4
Question Advice Wanted: Buying Base Unit

Hey guys! I'm looking for a little advice (and allow me to first start in advance by apologising for any obvious exposure to my complete lack of up-to-date computer market knowledge; go easy on me!) regarding buying a new computer base unit. I can't really afford to spend anything over £350 being a student, but I'm looking for a new computer that handles my work on Ableton Live and Reason a lot better, so a real fast multi-tasker would be nice.

The two options I have (with Specify your dream custom gaming PC online - Dino PC Ltd, seemingly the best bargain deals I could find) are as follows:

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition CPU (4 x 3.4GHz)
Foxconn 6100M61-PMV (6x USB2.0)
4GB DDR2 800mhz RAM
500GB S-ATAII 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
22x DVD±RW DL S-ATA Drive
Onboard Video/Audio
No Operating System
500w Eagle PSU
Total: £329.45

OR ALTERNATIVELY

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9400 (4 x 2.66GHz)
Asus P5KPL-AM (Intel G31 chipset)
4GB DDR2 800mhz RAM
500GB S-ATAII 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
22x DVD±RW DL S-ATA Drive
Onboard Video/Audio
No Operating System
500w Eagle PSU
Total: £331.46

So my questions to you guys are:
• Which one is a better computer for the money, the AMD or the Intel?
• Also, with the AMD I have the option to upgrade to a unit both supporting and including 4GB DDR3 rather than 4GB DDR2 memory for an extra £50, even though this would be blowing my budget would that move really be worth it?
• What are the potentials to push these processors further through overclocking? I've heard the Phenom processor in question can be safely pushed to 4x3.8ghz, would this require a better CPU cooler/PSU?

Many thanks in advance guys! And feel free to list any alternative deals. Sorry about my poor knowledge,
__________________

MattyB is offline  
Old 12-07-2009, 11:16 AM   #2 (permalink)
Lady Techie
 
Yami's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 7,774
Default Re: Advice Wanted: Buying Base Unit

Quote:
• Which one is a better computer for the money, the AMD or the Intel?
I believe the AMD one is faster.

Quote:
Also, with the AMD I have the option to upgrade to a unit both supporting and including 4GB DDR3 rather than 4GB DDR2 memory for an extra £50, even though this would be blowing my budget would that move really be worth it?
Getting DDR3 would make future upgrades cheaper, but it would be hard to see any performance differences between the DDR2 and DDR3.

Quote:
What are the potentials to push these processors further through overclocking? I've heard the Phenom processor in question can be safely pushed to 4x3.8ghz, would this require a better CPU cooler/PSU?
The CPUs themselves can be pushed very far with OCing, both can go further than 4GHz, but only if you have the right setup. A high-performance CPU cooler would be required for that, yes.
However those motherboards are very cheap, and assuming they have overclocking options (which is a 50/50 chance with cheap ones), it definitely wouldn't overclock very far.

Would you consider building your own PC? You'd get much better parts for your money, and be able to overclock it.
__________________

__________________
Desktop i5-4440 - ASRock Z77 Extreme4 - EVGA GTX970 - 4x4GB 1600MHz - Samsung 850 EVO 250GB - Be Silent Base 800 - 3TB+1TB+1TB+640GB
Laptop i7-3740QM @ 2.7GHz, 2x4GB 1600Mhz, GT640M, OCZ Agility 3 120GB
Smartphone Galaxy S7 Edge

LinkedIn Kiera Mitchell
Yami is offline  
Old 12-07-2009, 12:04 PM   #3 (permalink)
Master Techie
 
aliasaid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,400
Default Re: Advice Wanted: Buying Base Unit

strange that it would cost so much more to go DDR3. The ram is pretty much the same price, and as for motherboard it might be a big more but not by 50 pounds!
__________________
"Is virtue a thing remote? I wish to be virtuous, and lo! Virtue is at hand." -Confucius
aliasaid is offline  
Old 12-07-2009, 01:16 PM   #4 (permalink)
 
farinha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Portugal
Posts: 866
Default Re: Advice Wanted: Buying Base Unit

Buy the AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition and you save 20£ to go DDR3. The difference between the 965 and the 955 is the multiplier ans since the it is unlocked in the black edition there is no reason to buy the 965 instead the 955.
Why don't you build on your own and save the money to go DDR3?
__________________

ASUS P5P77D :: INTEL i5 750@3.6 GHz :: Asus HD4890 :: 4GB Gskill Ripjaw 1600MHz CL7 :: WD Black 1TB :: SSD OCZ Vertex2 60GB :: Corsair 750TX :: LG L204WT :: Windows 7 x64

<<<<<<<<<< If you think I've been helpful in anyway rep me :p
farinha is offline  
Old 12-07-2009, 01:22 PM   #5 (permalink)
Lady Techie
 
Yami's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 7,774
Default Re: Advice Wanted: Buying Base Unit

Btw, just to say that if you do decide to build your own I can decide parts and such for you. You just need to order+build
__________________
Desktop i5-4440 - ASRock Z77 Extreme4 - EVGA GTX970 - 4x4GB 1600MHz - Samsung 850 EVO 250GB - Be Silent Base 800 - 3TB+1TB+1TB+640GB
Laptop i7-3740QM @ 2.7GHz, 2x4GB 1600Mhz, GT640M, OCZ Agility 3 120GB
Smartphone Galaxy S7 Edge

LinkedIn Kiera Mitchell
Yami is offline  
Old 12-07-2009, 02:03 PM   #6 (permalink)
 
farinha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Portugal
Posts: 866
Default Re: Advice Wanted: Buying Base Unit

I can help to
__________________

ASUS P5P77D :: INTEL i5 750@3.6 GHz :: Asus HD4890 :: 4GB Gskill Ripjaw 1600MHz CL7 :: WD Black 1TB :: SSD OCZ Vertex2 60GB :: Corsair 750TX :: LG L204WT :: Windows 7 x64

<<<<<<<<<< If you think I've been helpful in anyway rep me :p
farinha is offline  
Old 12-08-2009, 11:57 AM   #7 (permalink)
Newb Techie
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 4
Default Re: Advice Wanted: Buying Base Unit

Thanks for the help guys, didn't expect such a friendly bunch! , I've been reading up on some CPU benchmarks and with cash-money being such a critical factor here I've decided to go with the AMD.

Quote:
The difference between the 965 and the 955 is the multiplier ans since the it is unlocked in the black edition there is no reason to buy the 965 instead the 955
You might have to explain that for me a little bit... Do you mean in essence the processor is the same except that the 965 is pre-set to a faster speed because of the designated clock multiplier? And this can be over-ridden through over-clocking anyway, right?

Quote:
Btw, just to say that if you do decide to build your own I can decide parts and such for you. You just need to order+build
Really appreciate the offer there guys, , what I'd be looking for then would be a base unit only computer with on-board video/audio (I don't play games and all of my studio work is done through a USB audio interface) with an overclock friendly motherboard/CPU cooler/PSU, a 500GB hard-drive, a DVD±RW that comfortably writes dual layers, 4GB onboard RAM (DDR2 would be fine, from what I've read the difference to DDR3 in performance is negligible) and an AMD Phenom II x4 955/965 processor; whichever is appropriate. Or I guess an Intel Quad if the speed can match the price of the AMDs, I'll leave it to your own musing! I've got my own copy of Windows 7 and any OEM software isn't needed.

Can't stress how much I appreciate your help here lads, all the best!
MattyB is offline  
Old 12-08-2009, 02:59 PM   #8 (permalink)
 
farinha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Portugal
Posts: 866
Default Re: Advice Wanted: Buying Base Unit

What's your budget?
__________________

ASUS P5P77D :: INTEL i5 750@3.6 GHz :: Asus HD4890 :: 4GB Gskill Ripjaw 1600MHz CL7 :: WD Black 1TB :: SSD OCZ Vertex2 60GB :: Corsair 750TX :: LG L204WT :: Windows 7 x64

<<<<<<<<<< If you think I've been helpful in anyway rep me :p
farinha is offline  
Old 12-08-2009, 03:02 PM   #9 (permalink)
Newb Techie
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 4
Default Re: Advice Wanted: Buying Base Unit

£350!
MattyB is offline  
Old 12-08-2009, 04:17 PM   #10 (permalink)
Grandfather of Techist

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Trotter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: The South
Posts: 31,307
Default Re: Advice Wanted: Buying Base Unit

Considering your location, Matty, there should be some Tech-Forums members in your area (Birmingham, UK). One of them may be willing to give you a hand with the actual assembly.
__________________

__________________


My Rig: SABLE
Antec 300 Illusion / Antec EarthWatts EA650 650W / ASUS GeForce GTX 960 GTX960-DC2OC-2GD5
AMD FX 8320 x8 Black Edition / Gelid Tranquillo / MSI 970A-G43
Sandisk Ultra Plus 128GB / Samsung 840 120GB / WD Black 750GB / WD Green 1TB
2x4GB DDR3 1600 - 2x2GB DDR3 1600
Win10 Ent 64-bit - Mionix Naos 7000 Mouse - CM Storm QuickFire Rapid Mech Keyboard


R.I.P. Danny L. Trotter ... 14 Nov 1945 - 4 Sept 2009
Trotter is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Laptop advice - From someone who has one Puressence Laptops and Notebooks 9 03-20-2009 04:27 PM
Advice re buying HDMI cable montyburns737 Hardware Repairs and Troubleshooting 0 07-29-2007 03:23 PM
Buying a New Laptop -- Seeking advice on which one is best. FooFighter Laptops and Notebooks 6 07-04-2007 10:38 PM
Need advice on buying a new LCD monitor. Saint71 New Systems | Building and Buying 4 05-24-2007 12:04 AM
Buying new pc, advice S0ULphIRE New Systems | Building and Buying 10 04-26-2007 12:11 AM



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:27 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.