why do famous get special treatment?

[wafflehammer]

I think that ninth_infantry made a couple of good points in the comments.


If his mother in law is dieing then that's all the more reason not to show up with a matter of minutes to go, break a red light, continue driving after an officer turns his siren on and then complain at the officer. If the process took 14 minutes then it took 14 minutes and it would have been a lot quicker if Moats wasn't acting like a fool.
As for those who talk of the extenuating circumstances, what if Moats irresponsible behaviour put you or your families safety at risk? I'm willing to bet you wouldn't take his extenuating circumstances as a valid would excuse.

yea think of it. Not only did he put his life, the officer's life, and the family in the cars life at danger...he endangered the people on the road. What if a loaded car was hit by him running the light and little kids were injured? I bet the media would still say it's okay and would someone blame it on the other car :|

 

[molsen]

If they was a normal person, the cop would be a hero. In this situation though he is treated like a criminal himself.

in what world would a cop be a hero for this? you're blowing this way out of proportion

 

[HAVOC]

Wafflehammer, I think you are missing the point.

Imagine if you got word from the hospital that one of your loved ones was dying and you had very little time to get to the hospital to say good bye. No one that I know would follow traffic laws in order to get there on time for such an event. "Similar to a woman about to give birth".

The player simply "rolled through a stop light". Cautiously, as was stated by him. He explained the reason for rolling the light. The wife explained the reason they were in a rush to get to the hospital.

This officer had a power trip and took the whole situation to a level that it should have never gone to.

Now, I don't think the officer should lose his job, but he certainly needs to learn something from this situation that could have very easily had a better ending. But, now because he showed such an utter lack of respect for someones wished to see their dying relative, he looks like the biggest jerk in the world.

Biggest jerk, isn't really what I'd like to say... but for TF it will do just fine.

 

[wafflehammer]

Wafflehammer, I think you are missing the point.

Imagine if you got word from the hospital that one of your loved ones was dying and you had very little time to get to the hospital to say good bye. No one that I know would follow traffic laws in order to get there on time for such an event. "Similar to a woman about to give birth".

The player simply "rolled through a stop light". Cautiously, as was stated by him. He explained the reason for rolling the light. The wife explained the reason they were in a rush to get to the hospital.

This officer had a power trip and took the whole situation to a level that it should have never gone to.

Now, I don't think the officer should lose his job, but he certainly needs to learn something from this situation that could have very easily had a better ending. But, now because he showed such an utter lack of respect for someones wished to see their dying relative, he looks like the biggest jerk in the world.

Biggest jerk, isn't really what I'd like to say... but for tech forums it will do just fine.

Let me ask you, if he blew through this red let and didn't stop..and hit your car and killed your wife and children how would you feel? yes, i'm 100% "this is no big deal he is okay".

No..you'd be furious. Yes the pregnant thing is a good way to look at it. BUT I'm sure you'd stop and tel the officer, not run for over a minute.

I'm sorry to say it but the family deserved to be shot when they started to leave. And so did the NFL player when he didn't put his hands on the car. The world is starting to become overrun with ignorant people who think they are above the law.

 

[HAVOC]

Well, your last posted is flawed for this situation.

He didn't blow through the red light. He stopped, looked for traffic and when he cautiously saw there was no traffic, he continued driving.

I have done this is many situations driving through "not good neighborhoods". I've not only done this at red lights, I've also done it a stop signs. Any seasoned driver can handle going through a red light when using caution. It's not that big of a deal.

He wasn't drunk or high on something. His mother-in-law was dying from pancreatic cancer. He was trying to bring his wife to see her mother on her last breaths.

There is a difference between a "high speed" pursuit and simply not stopping for a police officer.
He wasn't running. He simply didn't stop. There is no report of any reckless driving or anything of that nature.

The bottom line is this police officer showed poor judgment and a total lack of compassion. Personal discretion comes into play in a situation like this and this officer obviously didn't exercise that ability.

The nurse came out of the hospital to plead with the officer and another officer that arrived on the scene to please let him go up and see her. She was minutes from death. The other officer said to him, "His mother-in-law is dying right now..." His rely... Yea, I'll be done in a minute.....

 

[molsen]

I get the feeling wafflehammer read the headline of the story + a couple comments on Digg or Reddit and then started this thread

 

[ricanflow]

Agreed 100% with havoc.

If you have a loved one dying....who give a **** about a red light. Stop, and continue if no cars are coming.

Ill pay the ticket later.

 

[KSoD]

Let me ask you, if he blew through this red let and didn't stop..and hit your car and killed your wife and children how would you feel? yes, i'm 100% "this is no big deal he is okay".

No..you'd be furious. Yes the pregnant thing is a good way to look at it. BUT I'm sure you'd stop and tel the officer, not run for over a minute.

I'm sorry to say it but the family deserved to be shot when they started to leave. And so did the NFL player when he didn't put his hands on the car. The world is starting to become overrun with ignorant people who think they are above the law.

Umm no. And no again. And no some more.

As coming from someone who was personally in the "Wife having Baby" situation, i will say from my personal experience that i did NOT pull over for the cop, i did not stop to tell him the situation.

If i did i would have been delivering the baby in my car while trying to talk to the cop.

So no. I would have run for over a minute if i had to. I would have run for 5 minutes if i had to. Luckily I have family that are local cops and i called them as i got in my car and i was personally escorted to the hospital. So i didnt have to worry about it.

But the fact is this, you can say what every you want to say about this situation looking at it from someone who has never experienced it.

"IF this or If that...."

You know what it didnt happen so shut up about what COULD have happened and focus on what DID happen.

If you were told that your Parent was dying in less than 5 minutes and you had to hurry to say good bye, i dont care what you say online, in real life you would get in your car, disobey every traffic law and get there ASAP.

Yeah you can act all legit and legal online and you can say you wouldnt do it, but when push comes to shove, you do it. Not only did i have it happen when my wife was going to give birth but when my mom got rushed to the hospital after she collapsed at work.

I didnt even have a license and i got in the car and sped to the hospital. Just to find out she was dead. Yeah i paid a hefty fine, yeah i got in major trouble, but the Cop understood. He let me go in and grieve with my family, he let me have my moment.

I went back out and i took my punishment like a man and got what i deserved. I even personally thanked the Cop for allowing me to have the last moment with my Mom back then. I would do it again today.

So stop the speculation on what could have happened or what you think you would do. Cause the honest truth is you do not know a darn thing till it happens. And when it does you do not think about the law or what could happen to you. I know from experience of it happening to me twice. Once at 15 and once again at 29.

So dont act all high and mighty saying you wouldnt do it cause you dont know. I can sit here and say i wouldnt do it again, but i would and i will if i ever get a call that someone close to me is dying and i have a short amount of time.

Stop dwelling on what possibly could have happened. Cause you know what it didnt. Let it go.

What if the cop had let him see his mother in law die then give him a ticket? Would we even be bothering with this topic? I highly doubt it. Instead we would have the topic be about how the cop was kind enough to allow them the chance for the last meeting. We would be having a talk about how sad it was thta they lost someone instead of "Well they could have killed someone"

They didnt. Now let it go already. You do not know what you will do in that situation and to say anything other wise is not true. Even coming from someone who has been through it twice i can honestly say that if the situation came up yet again, i dont know how i would act.

You dont know and to constantly speculate on what could have happened is fruitless, pointless and meaningless.

 

[wafflehammer]

Umm no. And no again. And no some more.

As coming from someone who was personally in the "Wife having Baby" situation, i will say from my personal experience that i did NOT pull over for the cop, i did not stop to tell him the situation.

If i did i would have been delivering the baby in my car while trying to talk to the cop.

So no. I would have run for over a minute if i had to. I would have run for 5 minutes if i had to. Luckily I have family that are local cops and i called them as i got in my car and i was personally escorted to the hospital. So i didnt have to worry about it.

But the fact is this, you can say what every you want to say about this situation looking at it from someone who has never experienced it.

"IF this or If that...."

You know what it didnt happen so shut up about what COULD have happened and focus on what DID happen.

If you were told that your Parent was dying in less than 5 minutes and you had to hurry to say good bye, i dont care what you say online, in real life you would get in your car, disobey every traffic law and get there ASAP. I would. That's not my point. My point is he deserves to be in trouble :|

Yeah you can act all legit and legal online and you can say you wouldnt do it, but when push comes to shove, you do it. Not only did i have it happen when my wife was going to give birth but when my mom got rushed to the hospital after she collapsed at work.

I didnt even have a license and i got in the car and sped to the hospital. Just to find out she was dead. Yeah i paid a hefty fine, yeah i got in major trouble, but the Cop understood. He let me go in and grieve with my family, he let me have my moment.

I went back out and i took my punishment like a man and got what i deserved. I even personally thanked the Cop for allowing me to have the last moment with my Mom back then. I would do it again today.Yes, you took your punishment. Did he? NO. He gets off free while the officer is punished.

So stop the speculation on what could have happened or what you think you would do. Cause the honest truth is you do not know a darn thing till it happens. And when it does you do not think about the law or what could happen to you. I know from experience of it happening to me twice. Once at 15 and once again at 29.

So dont act all high and mighty saying you wouldnt do it cause you dont know. I can sit here and say i wouldnt do it again, but i would and i will if i ever get a call that someone close to me is dying and i have a short amount of time.

Stop dwelling on what possibly could have happened. Cause you know what it didnt. Let it go.

What if the cop had let him see his mother in law die then give him a ticket? Would we even be bothering with this topic? I highly doubt it. Instead we would have the topic be about how the cop was kind enough to allow them the chance for the last meeting. We would be having a talk about how sad it was thta they lost someone instead of "Well they could have killed someone" This is what I'm saying though. He deserves to be in trouble. And the cop doesn't deserve to be in trouble. If the NFL player broke the law he needs to pay, not the cop for doing his job.

They didnt. Now let it go already. You do not know what you will do in that situation and to say anything other wise is not true. Even coming from someone who has been through it twice i can honestly say that if the situation came up yet again, i dont know how i would act.

You dont know and to constantly speculate on what could have happened is fruitless, pointless and meaningless.

I'm not saying he shouldn't do it. I just think that he should be in trouble. He was caught doing something illegal. He needs to pay a price. The officer shouldn't pay it for him. I don't have a license or insurance so if I get pulled over I'm most likely not going to be able to drive till I'm 21 + have huge fines. That's okay with me, my fault if I get busted. But just because he is famous doesn't mean he needs to be left alone and have the cop punished.


BTW Mak... It's called opinions. Everyone has one. And if you're going to be free-minded enough to aggressively through yours around, you need to allow yourself to see the views of others.

I get the feeling wafflehammer read the headline of the story + a couple comments on Digg or Reddit and then started this thread

You'd be wrong. I read the full article. And I just read an article about how the officer quit his job over it. A good honest worker in this country is harassed to the point he quits just because he tried to do his job. This country is going down hill. Unless you're sitting on your *** and drawing a check, or famous...you're nothing in this country.

 

[HAVOC]

wafflehammer,

Just because you are "doing your job" doesn't mean you are doing it correctly or doing it the way your employer expects you to do it.

Example: I am often required to contact our clients with outstanding or over due balances on their accounts. Now, most of the time people are nice and offer some type of payment or pay the balances without an incident.

Sometimes, I will get someone that is nasty, rude or just plan confrontational. Sometimes I will get someone that explains to me that they have had their credit card stolen or they financial strapped this week or they simply can' t make a payment right now for some good reason.

Now... My job is to collect money. I must remain courteous and professional. If someone tells me that they can't arrange a payment right now I can't say, "HEY! LISTEN TO ME BUDDY! YOU OWN MY COMPANY MONEY! UNLESS YOU ARE INTERESTED IN GETTING YOUR CREDIT SCREWED UP OVER THIS $200 THAT YOU OWE US.... GIVE ME THE MONEY!!!!" DON'T MAKE ME HAVE TO RUIN YOUR CREDIT HERE!!!"

No. I must sift through all of the cases individually and use "Personal Discretion" in regards to which approach I take with each person.

IN the situation with this police officer, a mother on her death bed is something you can easily wave a minor traffic violation for. LIKE in one of my most recent clients case where she had her identity stolen, her credit ruined and her bank account drained. She was going through a heck of a time trying to fix all of her accounts so she could pay not only her bills with us, but her bills with everyone else.

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