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[Grievearz]

you're retarded. if you INVITED him into your home, you have every right to do what you want. obviously, if he just walked in uninvited, you would call the cops...

The point is that he was NOT invited to speak. The argument is valid because he walked up to the mic without invitation during a forum where one was required to speak. It's the same as someone barging into your home, but you'd claim it's the home owners fault for leaving the door unlocked just to keep your argument going. I wouldn't resort to name calling, this is just a forum of opinion. Name calling just makes you look childish.

see, that's completely different. those are words that incite a riot or panic. that is expressly prohibited time and again in court cases.

nothing the subject did at the forum was inciting riot or action until he yelled "help me!"

He was not being arrested until he started "help me" he was just being asked to leave, then being escorted out. Its when he started calling for action did additional police members come to the first two aid and they tried to fully restrain him. Calling for action against police officers is also expressly prohibited in court cases. What he did when he called out for help and claimed he was being wrongfully arrested were said only to "incite a riot or panic." He was not being arrested for his questions, he was being arrested for his actions and then calling out for action against the police.

 

[Grievearz]

and what rule did he break?

I already said what rule he broke, he cursed in a forum on private property where cursing was not allowed. This is not an assumption, it's a fact.

what was the protocol for dealing with someone if he was "breaking the rules" yet Kerry asked them to let him be so he could answer the question?

To ask them to leave and then remove them if they refused, obviously. Further action was taken when he broke the law.

that has nothing to do with free speech...:freak:

again, that has nothing to do with free speech

It has everything to do with free speech, according to you, you can call for action against law enforcement and it would be protected speech. What if he only said he had a weapon. Is that protected speech? Free speech is not cart blanche to say whatever you want.

 

[peterhuang913]

I already said what rule he broke, he cursed in a forum on private property where cursing was not allowed. This is not an assumption, it's a fact.



To ask them to leave and then remove them if they refused, obviously. Further action was taken when he broke the law.



It has everything to do with free speech, according to you, you can call for action against law enforcement and it would be protected speech. What if he only said he had a weapon. Is that protected speech? Free speech is not cart blanche to say whatever you want.

Wouldn't you curse if you were being man-handled out of a forum for no reason?

 

[Grievearz]

He cursed before the the police even touched him. During his comments on Clinton he used the word blow job (I'm sorry if this is against the rules to break it up). Obviously it's considered a bad word because it gets censored if you put it together. This was a formal forum and that kind of language was not acceptable.

 

[molsen]

The point is that he was NOT invited to speak. The argument is valid because he walked up to the mic without invitation during a forum where one was required to speak.

BUT kerry explicitly said he would answer his question and to let him speak. even when the police began to get him to stop, kerry said to let him speak.

It's the same as someone barging into your home, but you'd claim it's the home owners fault for leaving the door unlocked just to keep your argument going.

no IT'S NOT THE SAME. what does someone barging into your home have anything to do with free speech? that's all about trespassing. the man asking the question at the forum was ALREADY on the property when he went up to the mic. it's not like he trespassed onto private property.

I wouldn't resort to name calling, this is just a forum of opinion. Name calling just makes you look childish.

you're right, my bad

He was not being arrested until he started "help me" he was just being asked to leave, then being escorted out.

but my point is he was not breaking the law until then, and therefore should not have been restrained

Its when he started calling for action did additional police members come to the first two aid and they tried to fully restrain him. Calling for action against police officers is also expressly prohibited in court cases. What he did when he called out for help and claimed he was being wrongfully arrested were said only to "incite a riot or panic." He was not being arrested for his questions, he was being arrested for his actions and then calling out for action against the police.

i'm not arguing with that. he certainly shouldn't have done what he did.

 

[molsen]

It has everything to do with free speech, according to you, you can call for action against law enforcement and it would be protected speech. What if he only said he had a weapon. Is that protected speech? Free speech is not cart blanche to say whatever you want.

what???? i never said that. and saying you have a weapon is not about free speech. read up on the laws a bit my friend...

so i'll ask you again. how does a crazed man coming in to your home acting crazy or a man saying he has a weapon have ANYTHING to do with free speech? i'll save you the trouble: it doesn't.

 

[peterhuang913]

He cursed before the the police even touched him. During his comments on Clinton he used the word blow job (I'm sorry if this is against the rules to break it up). Obviously it's considered a bad word because it gets censored if you put it together. This was a formal forum and that kind of language was not acceptable.

O rly?

YouTube - University of Florida student Tasered at Kerry forum

He said it @ 1:53, well into his personal restraint.

 

[molsen]

^^^ o snap. wrong video tho

 

[Grievearz]

Ok, lets say that the crack head was acting completely normal and you invited him into your house. As soon as he was inside your house he started shouting like a crazy person and running around. Startled by his actions you ask him to leave and he ignores you and continues his tirade (Keep in mind in this situation you did not want him there anymore, how the police did not want the man there anymore for violating the rules of the forum). Would his actions be protected by free speech? This isn't a great example because the student wasn't even invited to speak. Anyone can go into a campus building but the university has the right to refuse access and remove people from their property.

He was breaking the law when he refused to cooperate with law enforcement officers by leaving. In the event he refused, it was their job to remove him, thus the "man handling" which was pretty low at first, just a hand on the arm and walking towards the back. He then broke their hold and ran back up front.

Kerry did not have any say in the matter, it was not his property and he's not the president of the united states. Even if he had said, this man is my brother he's only joking, the officers had no responsibility to listen to him. They are there first and foremost to maintain peace and order. Something this student was attempting to disrupt rather obviously.

 

[peterhuang913]

They then proceeded to taze him 6 seconds later.