I'm not going to use this thread as a plug. Some may find that they enjoy Tech-Forums with the way it currently is running. Some may find that they enjoy ToV with the way it is currently running. Some may not like either and some may enjoy both. To turn the card around a bit, at ToV we just wanted to have more communication methods/channels/etc. We wanted to implement more for members to do such as talk on Ventrilo, play games with each other, Share artistic interests such as pictures, music, etc. I personally don't feel it to be a "tech forums countermeasure" although some do. People can think what they want to I suppose. Personally, I'm not there to rebel. Heck, even mods/smods/Dave are registered over there....and they (we) still spend time here as well. It is what it is I suppose....