Did apple stop making 60GB ipods?
I think I like the zen better, but I still have no mp3 player. I never use them! But the price of either is like 1/3 the price of a low-end laptop (which totally owns both in multimedia capabilities).
I've noticed that at least here people with an ipod or other mp3 player always hide it under their clothes (perfectly normal), so I don't think the fact that everyone has one is that important. I mean no one cares what you are listening to and where ur music is coming from.