Years and years of data tell us the temperature has changed... that's all that matters. It's changed, drastically, and the ice caps are melting off exponentially. The climate is becoming unstable and more extreme as a result.
no that's not all that matters because the climate has made the same shift over and over in our planet's past. we have to be cautious about over-emphasizing our own role in this.
Different from what were used to? Like... breathing air and all... instead of water, when our cities are flooded? Yeah, that's pretty selfish.
but WE are the ones who decided to live on coastlines or in earthquake zones or in below-sea level zones. that is OUR fault. yea it sucks the earth may be changing but to think we OWN this planet and should try to stop that is what's selfish.
And so is being stubborn enough to not give a crap about the planet and reduce our effect on it.
hmmm
first of all, i never said i dont give a crap about the planet. in fact, i've been involved in every environmental debate on this forum and have always had a pro-environment stance. read my column (in my sig) for god's sake before you start calling me stubborn and saying i don't give a crap.
second, i think you confuse stubbornness for open-mindedness. we can't even accurately predict where a hurricane will hit in the next 3 or 4 days and at what strength in one corner of the world. what gives us the GALLS to think we can predict the weather of the entire planet over the next few decades to a century??? on the other hand, what could be the ultimate price of completely ignoring these warnings....?
that being said, we should be EXTREMELY cautious with throwing out all of these scare tactics and end-of-the-world scenarios....it puts A LOT on the line for science and environmentalists. it's like when we were scared into invading Iraq by our gov't....presented with "evidence" and doomsday scenarios, but these reasons turned out to be mostly false and now people don't trust the administration and are suspicious of everything they do.
similarly, if people like you go around calling other people names, acting closed-minded with regards to global warming evidence, throwing out scary scenarios, AND THEN THE GLOBAL WARMING THEORY TURNS OUT TO BE WRONG, not only are you going to feel like a ******, but the entire environmental movement will be OVER. GONE. DECEASED.
we should, however, be striving for a cleaner, more sustainable existence. environmentalists have been trying to get at this for well over a century and NOW people are finally starting to take it seriously.
so be careful, my friend, because in your narrow-minded, gung-ho approach to forcing global warming 'science' on people, you may ultimately be screwing the future of environmentalism. and i, for one, will be VERY angry at you.