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Old 01-24-2005, 01:18 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey, I'm new here, and I'm thinking of making a custom PC. I'm not an expert on Computers but I know some basics.. So not-so-complicated terms would be awesome. Hehe.

I'm hoping to make this computer good enough for some hardcore gaming. I heard AMD processors are better than Pentium for Gaming, I'm not sure though.
Also, someone said something about Motherboards only being able to hold a certain amount of power? I'm not sure if this meant that certain motherboards can only use certain parts or if that just means that motherboards can only hold a certain amount of cards, Ram cards (Sorry If I'm not using the right terms, as I said I'm not a computer expert).

Well here's what I'm thinking, if anyone's bored or something, some suggestions would be cool.. And I'm not going for the BEST computer, just a good one that doesn't cost ALOT.

MSI 865PE Neo2-PLS Motherboard
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/pro...1&newdeptid=18
This one looks good to me because it has 4 ram slots.. I'm not sure what makes a motherboard better over another other than what it can hold, and I know thats not all, or all Motherboards would just be full of ram spots and PCI slots. Haha.

Promar V770 Windowed Blue PC Case
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/pro...6&newdeptid=18
Not sure if this makes any difference, I just think it looks kinda nice, and the motherboard should fit
Question: Do motherboards fit in all cases? If not, how do I know if it will fit??

Intel Pentium 4 3.20GHz Processor
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/pro...3&newdeptid=18
Looks good to me, but for gaming i head a 2.4 Ghz(I think?) is better.. Anyone know?

Cicero Maxtor 80GB 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/pro...4&newdeptid=18
80 Gigs is good enough for me.

Kingston 512MB 184-Pin PC400 DDR Memory
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/pro...gid=EN&dept=18
I'm not sure how many "Pins" the motherboard has for the ram, but all the ram seemed to have 184..

Diamond Viper Radeon 9600XT 256MB AGP Video Card
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/pro...4&newdeptid=18
I'd love a cheaper one, if anyone knows a very good gaming video card that will last a long time, please tell.

Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Sound Card
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/pro...9&newdeptid=18
Once again a cheaper one would be sweet, but I still want awesome sound.

D-Link DFE-530TX 10/100 PCI Network Card
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/pro...3&newdeptid=18
This network card looks good, I think i have it in my current PC.. does the card really make a difference?

Dynex 300 Watt ATX CPU Power Supply
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/pro...46&newdeptid=2
This was the only power supply i could find, and I dont know if the power supply would differ by which one you got, since its just putting power to the computer.

BenQ DW1610 16X DVD+/-RW Internal Drive
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/pro...5&newdeptid=18
I don't know if your CD drive would change how fast games are, I don't think it would.. the only use for a cd drive would be for games and such..


Okay, so that's the computer, with no accessories(Mouse, keyboard, monitor, etc)
Since I want a pure gaming PC, i want to know if these parts would work well together.. And if certain parts don't need to be as good as they are, tell me please, hehe.. I want a great PC for gaming.. But not deathly expensive.. I know not to buy all this from Futureshop, I'll look around on ebay and local computer stores, but please, tell me what you think I should do with this computer before I start buying the parts, Thanks alot you guys!
I really apprecate you guys taking your time reading this, and to anyone to replies, thanks so much!
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Old 01-24-2005, 07:19 AM   #2 (permalink)
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ok Here goes my 15 min reaserch project..... First off, if your looking for a online realitor that is good, go to www.newegg.com. Almost everyone knows about that, and alot of people like newegg. Fast shipping, daily deals, and sometimes they can have the price less compared to other companys. If I am mistaken by any of the things that I said, someone correct me.

Ok, possably that motherboard is OK. I know very little about mother boards, maybe someone else can help you out on this.

Hmm.. this website doesnt tell you the specs on the case. Also, search on newegg for cases. And the answer to your question: no, not all motherboards fit in all cases. You are going to have to look at the ATA factor. You have to make sure that your case can support the ATA factor for your motherboard. For your motherboard, its standard ATA. Too bad that furture shop does't give you the specs on the case.

I am not sure for sure, but i do know that if u went with an athlon 3500 it would out match the intel P4 3.4 ghz one. The reason that amd are good for gaming is because the amd chips have a much higher FSB or bus speed. If your going with gaming use an athlon. I made the mistake of getting an intel a year back, and i regret it. Right now im aiming for the FX-55 (a 900 dollar processser) but enough about what i want. Also, amd tend to go cheaper with price for there processers. Also, you would want to change motherboards also to support your processer if you do go AMD (especcially for gaming). Again, im not very good with motherboards but probably an MSI-neo board for socket 939 athlon processer would be great. And like is said earlier, about the 3500 being better than a p4 3.4 ghz? well http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-463&depa=0
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that would be good for gaming AND it cheaper than that P4 you got out, ALOT cheaper.

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...148-019&depa=1
This would be THE BEST hard drive for 80. The reason you want seagate is because if you compare a seagate to a maxtor, maxtors tend to run hotter and are more noisy. So, the seagate one would be your choice.

Again im not so cool about motherboard stuff. But I highly recomend you get two sticks of 512 because you will run alot faster with that.

Cheaper!? With that kinda money for that card you could go into the X*** series!
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...102-286&depa=1
Thats a way better card and its cheaper.

If you just mearly go with a regular audigy 2 sound card, it would be just as good.

Try to pick a motherboard with internet device in it.

Im also not very goood at choosing power supplys, but I think antec makes goood ones.

I would go with companys like lite-on with the same specs and stuff.

Well There ya go. Enjoy.
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Old 01-24-2005, 11:19 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Thank you SOOOO Much! i didn't expect anything that good. Hehe.. This site looks awesome. It's gonna be good for me to check prices, that aren't overprices like futureshop, toobad newegg's American =( Then again, good thing my sisters moving to Texas! =D=D! Hah!
Anyways... With this new stuff.. One question

ASUS "A8N-SLI Deluxe" nForce4 SLI Chipset Motherboard For AMD Socket 939 CPU
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...131-517&depa=0
Would this motherboard go great with this processor for gaming??--

AMD Athlon 64 3500+, 512K, L2 Cache, Socket 939 Windows Compatible 64-bit Processor
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-463&depa=0

That's what I'm hoping.. The motherboards a bit pricey though! But if it's worth it, I guess I'll have to.
And for Ram, anyone know a good company that sells good ram for low(Hopefully?) And is there anything wrong with 4 sticks of 512MB ram? Just wondering if that would work. Hah!
Heres my list:

ASUS "A8N-SLI Deluxe" nForce4 SLI Chipset Motherboard For AMD Socket 939 CPU

Promar V770 Windowed Blue PC Case

AMD Athlon 64 3500+, 512K, L2 Cache, Socket 939 Windows Compatible 64-bit Processor

Seagate 80GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model ST380013AS, OEM

?Azenram 512MB 184-Pin DDR Memory?

ATI RADEON 9800PRO Video Card, 128MB DDR, 256-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP

Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Sound Card

Dynex 300 Watt ATX CPU Power Supply

BenQ DW1610 16X DVD+/-RW Internal Drive

The things with "?" around it means I don't know if it will work, So any more suggestions would be cool.


EDIT

Okay, do you need a certain kind of case for AMD processor? Cause the case i was looking at on newegg(Thanks for the site) says "Supports P4" does that mean it already supports AMD as well? O.o
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Can you show give me the link to the case? Also, the company that you previously selected is a very good company, im just not sure about the 184-pin, i know nothing of pins lol. I would also recomend getting a larger power supply, because 939 sockets tend to need more voltage. Also, just go with teh regular sound blaster audigy 2. unless you will need some other sound divices, but if you don't want to hook up anything to the sound besides speakers, just go with teh regular audigy 2.
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...102-179&depa=0
Ok, the reason the motherboard costs so much is becuase its SLI based. SLI based motherboards can hold two graphics cards that are capable for SLI. Since you have limited money, don't get SLI unless your getting dual graphics cards. Try to get ASUS "A8N-SLI Deluxe" nForce4 Ultra Chipset or something like that. 4 sticks of ram seem too much really. I have two sticks of 512 and they are plenty fine for what im doing (gaming).
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The '184 pin' reference to the RAM is just the number of pins that DDR has, so don't worry about that.
A 64 bit AMD processor requires a motherboard that supports 64 bit. The Asus AN8-SLI does but if you choose a different motherboard, just make sure that it also supports 64bit.

As for the power supply, the fact it supports P4 processors just means its got the extra P4 motherboard connector. It will still work just as well with AMDs, you just won't need to plug the extra connector in. However, I would advise you opt for a power supply larger than 300W. Try a 400 or 500W instead.

I also agree that 2GB of RAM is probably a bit excessive!
Be aware however, that if you do have 4 RAM modules installed, the system will be using dual channel configuration. This means you want all the modules to be the same (or at least 2 matching pairs). Same means equal size & same CAS latency.
If you only have 2 modules, you can configure it to use either dual or single channel. (If they are different sizes, you must use single channel)
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oh ok so pin numbers do not matter? or the higher the pin numbers the better the component?
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Azyza, how much can you spend? You said you dont want to spend alot, but your buying alot of really great hardware.

Personally Azyza, you dont have to get such a expensive mobo. That mobo is pretty much the best socket 939 mobo you can get.
I do suggest that mobo, but if price is a factor, then dont get it. I would suggest the motherboard i have, Abit AV8. This motherboard-(Mobo) cost 115$. Its not a bad mobo at all. You have to remember that socket 939 mobo's are dual channel memory, so if you want 512mb of RAM, your going to need TWO 256mb sticks. Just get TWO 512mb sticks of RAM, 184pin.

Also, you dont have to get a 3500, you can get a socket 939 3200. This processor again is a budget gaming processor.
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...ctCode=80701-2

I do suggest the 3500, i have that processor, but if money is a issue, you dont have to get such a processor. Just make sure you get 184pin PC3200 RAM. Anything else would be trash. Just the road your on, the computer is going to cost alot. I would also look into getting a better case.

Do you like any of these.
http://www.frozencpu.com/scan/se=Sto...nu_search.html
http://www.frozencpu.com/scan/se=Sto...nu_search.html
http://www.frozencpu.com/scan/se=Sto...nu_search.html
http://www.xoxide.com/thermaltake2.html
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I'm not sure how much I'm spending.. I'll buy the parts as I get the money, I want good parts, but I dont want to spend ALOT. I've acctually learned quite a bit since that post yesterday.. lol.. Heres my updated list:

Case

$57.00
ASPIRE X-Infinity Black ATX Mid-Tower Case with 350W Power Supply, Model"ATXB6KLW-BK/350"
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduc...144-076&DEPA=1

$26.99
POWMAX Black/Silver Mid Tower ATX Case with 400W Power Supply, Side Window & handle, Model "CP0327PL-4"
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduc...145-047&DEPA=1

I'm not sure which one to get.. hehe..

Power Supply:
$27.50
Sparkle Power "Power Q" 350W Power Supply, MODEL "ATX-350GU"
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-484&depa=1

I think that should be enough, shoudlnt it?

Motherboard:

$148.00
MSI "K8N Neo2 Platinum" NVIDIA nForce3 ULTRA Chipset Motherboard For AMD Socket 939 CPU
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...130-468&depa=0

$94.00
FOXCONN "755FXK8AA-8EKRS" SiS 755FX Chipset Motherboard For Socket 939 CPU
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...186-024&depa=1

I'm leaning towards the Neo2 Platinum, Ive heard more good things about it. hehe

Processor:
$268.00
AMD Athlon 64 3500+, 512K, L2 Cache, Socket 939 Windows Compatible 64-bit Processor
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-463&depa=0

Video Card:

I'm not sure, does anyone know a good gaming video card?

Hard Drive:
$132.00
Hitachi 250GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model HDS722525VLSA80 Part# 13G0255
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduc...145-048&DEPA=1

250 gigs is alot, but it was only like 25 dollars more than the 200 gig.

CD Drive:
$35.99
Samsung Black 52X32X52X16 DVD/CD-RW Combo Drive, Model TS-H492A/WBGH
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...151-051&depa=1

Do I even need to spend that much on a cd drive? :P

Ram:
$82.00
PDP SYSTEMS Memory Dual Channel Kit 184-Pin 512MB (256MBx2) DDR PC-2700, Model PDC5122700LLK
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduc...220-001&DEPA=1
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oh ok so pin numbers do not matter? or the higher the pin numbers the better the component?
No! The number of pins just determines the physical size & type of the module. All DDR modules are 184 pin.
Likewise, all SDRAM (eg PC133) modules are 168pin.
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oh ok
Case: go with teh powaxe one, it comes with 400 watt power supply which u need.
Motherbaord: go with the neo.
Video Card: go with the 9800 pro, make sure you get the pro.
HardDrive: Go with the seagate one, i dont think u need 250 gigs do you? Either way, you could get two of the same hard drives and hook them up.
RAM: Still go wiht kingtson, the other ram you choose was very good.
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