I think in the beginning they were revolutionary, and I do give Jobs a lot of respect for what he accomplished and how he accomplished it. But having said that the Apple brand has been turned into this elitist, snobbish brand that has a user base that makes absurd claims like the hardware is better (maybe it was, but now its the same), it doesn't get viruses (yes they can, and if they had more market share or a piece of the server market you would see more), or they have revolutionary ideas (like the customizable iphone desktop? Something android has had since it came out?)