why home routers

Status
Not open for further replies.

Celtic_Tiger

Baseband Member
Messages
29
I see so may routers being advertised now for home use and although i can understand how they are needed to segment networks and that they make the internet possible I dont understand why they are selling so well for homes.

I have been told that they can have dhcp features built in and wireless/wired capability etc as an answer. but.. why then not a switch with those functions built in? surely all these home user buying routers are not segmenting 2 or more diferent networks within their homes!!
 
The point of a home user to purchase a router is to segment there network from the internet so they can have multiple computers on the same connection out to the internet. A switch with DHCP, wireless, and port forwarding is a router....
 
I see. What is the advantage over a switch with internet connection sharing? as I use an inexpensive home switch and I can connect multiple machines to the net with that. Perhaps the security of a hardware firewall?
 
The advantage? Not having to have a PC on for others to connect? Another big advantage is the software in modern routers contains a firewall, along with port forwarding, and a bunch of other things... Yea you can have all that on a PC and have the computer become a dedicated router, but it is a pain in the but, over all a router provides more security by seperating a network as ICS doesn't really seperate newworks as far as I know. Over all, it is just cheaper and easier to get a router than to have a PC setup with ICS and a hub/switch for the home user, and just about everyone else in the world...
 
I see so may routers being advertised now for home use and although i can understand how they are needed to segment networks and that they make the internet possible I dont understand why they are selling so well for homes.

I have been told that they can have dhcp features built in and wireless/wired capability etc as an answer. but.. why then not a switch with those functions built in? surely all these home user buying routers are not segmenting 2 or more diferent networks within their homes!!


there are layer 3 switches that can route traffic. So to understand this better, im linking you to info on switching at different layers




Understanding Layer 2, 3, and 4 Protocols

SWITCHING AT DIFFERENT LAYERS

Now that we've seen examples of different information available within different layers of the OSI model, let's look at how this information can be used to make intelligent traffic forwarding decisions. Before the development of switching, Ethernet relied on broadcast or flooding of packets to all end stations within a network to forward traffic. Ethernet is effectively a shared medium with only one Ethernet end station able to transmit at any time. Combine this with early implementation techniques relying on every end station in an Ethernet network seeing every packet, even if it was not addressed to it, and issues of scalability quickly surface.

Layer 2 Switching
The first implementation of Ethernet or Layer 2 switching uses information in the Ethernet headers to make traffic forwarding decisions. Intelligent switches learn which ports have which end stations attached by recording the Ethernet MAC addresses of packets ingressing the switch. Using this information along with the ability to parse the Layer 2 headers of all packets means that a Layer 2 switch need only forward frames out of ports where it knows the end station to be. For end station addresses that have not yet been learned, frames with unknown destination MAC addresses are flooded out of every port in the switch to force the recipient to reply. This will allow the switch to learn the relevant MAC address, as it will be the source address on the reply frame.

Layer 2 switching is implemented along side Layer 3 routing for local area networks to facilitate communication between devices in a common IP subnet. As the information at this layer is relatively limited, the opportunity to configure Layer 2 switches to interpret address information and act upon it in any way other than described previously is generally not required. Many Layer 2 switches will offer the ability to configure intelligent services such as Quality of Service (QoS), bandwidth shaping, or VLAN membership based on the Layer 2 information. Figure 3 shows a simplified Layer 2 frame with examples of information that might be used to make switching decisions.

Layer 3 Switching and Routing
Traditional protocol routers work by using information in the Layer 3 headers of Ethernet frames. While routing platforms exist for many different protocols (e.g., IPX, AppleTalk, and DECNet), in TCP/IP terms a router or routing device will typically use the destination IP address in the Layer 3 header to make a forwarding decision. The main advantage of Layer 3 routing in its earliest guises was that it gave the network designer the ability to segregate the network into distinct IP networks and carefully control the traffic and reachability between each.

Many of the early implementers and pioneers of Layer 3 routing devices used software-based devices as platforms that, while offering a flexible platform for development of the technology, often provided limitations in terms of performance. As Layer 2 switching became more commonplace and the price per port of Ethernet switching systems dropped, manufacturers looked to combine the performance of ASIC-based Layer 2 switching with the functionality and flexibility of Layer 3 routing. Step forward the Layer 3 switch. Layer 3 switches work by examining the destination IP address and making a forwarding decision based on the routing configuration implemented. The destination subnet might be learned via a connected interface, a static route, or a dynamic routing protocol such as RIP, OSPF, or BGP. In all instances, once the Layer 3 switch has examined the frame and compared the destination IP address against the information in its routing database, the destination MAC address is changed and the frame is forwarded through the relevant egress port. For IP frames traversing a Layer 3 device, such as a router or Layer 3 switch, the TTL field in the IP header is also decremented to indicate to end stations and intermediaries that a routing hop has occurred.

It is once we reach the Layer 3 switching environment that configuration for devices become inherently more complex. The administrator must configure the correct routing information to enable basic traffic flow along with the interface IP addresses in each of the subnets to which the Layer 3 switch is attached.

Figure 4 shows the typical information used by a Layer 3 switch in making a forwarding decision.
 
Security then is a main factor. The ICS setup was automatic for me with the switch, I dont remember having any hassle. Perhaps then I have been somewhat relaxed in my attitude to security presumably a standard software firewall is not really enough? Or its probably a combination of these features that makes the router attractive over the switch. So is my just having a software firewall(nod32) with my PC's sharing the internet connection asking for trouble?
 
Security then is a main factor. The ICS setup was automatic for me with the switch, I dont remember having any hassle. Perhaps then I have been somewhat relaxed in my attitude to security presumably a standard software firewall is not really enough? Or its probably a combination of these features that makes the router attractive over the switch. So is my just having a software firewall(nod32) with my PC's sharing the internet connection asking for trouble?

the main factor is connecting different networks. You've effectively turned the pc into a router after implementing ICS.

pickup a layer 2 switch. connect a modem and a workstation to it. you won't be able to connect to the internet. you need something to forward the packets.



three pillars of computer network security.

keep software up to date; protects against known exploits

run real time antivirus and scheduled scans

filter traffic with a firewall; i prefer hardware over software. you can't disable a hardware firewall and still be able to forward the packets. however, you can still trick the firewall to think the traffic is legit



beyond this you can run ids (snort is popular), or ips with deep packet inspection


passwords fit somewhere in here too
 
A common router includes:

An Ethernet switch (usually a 6 port switch-on-a-chip with 4 ports being used for LAN, one for WAN [Internet], and the 6th port connecting internally to the processor)
A System-on-a-Chip processor and WiFi access point with DHCP, routing, and webserver (for configuration menu) software.

A standard home switch simply includes an Ethernet switch, most likely a single chip.

In order to share Internet with a basic switch, you need a PC that has two Ethernet connections (one for the modem and the other for switch) with ICS, bridging, or a DHCP server installed and running. This one computer handles the entire network's traffic and the Internet connection. As such, this PC must remain on 24/7 or else the network goes down. It also makes this PC slow because it focuses on network handling. A router makes a network faster because it does all these tasks with great speed. It's designed to do just these functions and it does them well, freeing up all of your PC's and not requiring any PC to remain on 24/7 (a router is essentially a tiny computer, but it draws much less power running 24/7 than a full size PC would).
 
To answer questions NOD32 used to be but now they added more
Firewall, Antivirus, Antispam: ESET Smart Security Has It All

I see your points about security and taking the load of the PC, thankyou. The setup I was using was a wireless thumb drive modem placed in the usb port called 3 broadband which is a cellular phone company, its quite swift and very portable then an ethernet cable to the swith and then enabling ICS with IE. This setup proved effortless enough so I just couldnt see the point of a router but in any case Im not sure I can use a standard home router with the wireless usb modem, can I?

The modem one recieves from an ISP is in most cases the actual router though isint it?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom