You would have to agree people that JUST software overclock with ntune and/or clockgen are lazy and dont want to take the time to tweak ram timings, dividers, voltages, multipliers, and the FSB. Thats what I ment. I mean at some point your probably going to have to use the bios to REALLY overclock like I had to. For example, with clockgen I could only get the cpu to 2.6 ghz because I couldnt adjust my ram timings or speeds. In ntune, it had the ability to change the ram timings but nothing else and yet, it still only got 2.6 ghz. After spending 30 minutes tweakin the bios and 8 hours of prime stable I got 3ghz. NOW, I did use clockgen yesterday though to find out I can get another 150mhz out of my cpu before its un stable. It was alot easier to do that than to go to bios and try every single fsb till it wouldnt boot to windows and/or post. That very much proves what you said.