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Old 09-21-2005, 02:01 AM   #11 (permalink)
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wanna bet on that one?you go ask ram companies why they would sell low latency ram and see a ton of amd user buy it if its no good, of course tighter is better! go to Vr forums and go talk to the world record holder in 3dmark 05 and 03 and u can argue away with him too but he will agree with me that tighter timings DO make a difference and it COULD affect stability but if it passes a super pi 32M test and a prime 95 torture blend test then i gunna say its pretty damn stable and WILL be faster then 3-3-3-8 regardless of what u try and tell me, i build systems all day, i bench them i test them, i aint stupid when it comes to this. Sure the difference isn't awesome! but none the less, tighter the timings the better. Also if it made no difference why would they have a latency test on everest and say LOWER IS BETTER.
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Old 09-21-2005, 02:11 AM   #12 (permalink)
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does overclocking your ram do a great deal....like can u notice it alot or not really ???

i have 768mb of ram

how far could i over clock that

sorry im new to ram overclocking :P
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Old 09-21-2005, 02:12 AM   #13 (permalink)
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overclocking your ram does good for games, they will respond better, but we need specs on ur ram before we can tell u wut to run it at.
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Old 09-21-2005, 02:18 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Dude...yea tighter timings are better, but they won't help you with overclocking. If your RAM is failing while overclocked, then you need to loosen your timings. If your RAM is stable at tight timings, then yea, more power to ya, but the general rule for overclocking is, if you want your RAM to overclock farther, loosen your timings.
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i already knew that....trust me, but in nubius original posts, he told the guy to turn the timings back to 3-3-3-8 without even have him test them at 2-3-3-6 to see if they worked which was why i said BAD advice. Please read the WHOLE thread before posting...


"You need to leave it at 3-3-3-8 timings and overclock from there.
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Right there, then he question why he would even tighten them. Well if you read the newegg where he bought the ram it even said it could run those simular timings. 3-3-3-8 is NOT stock for that ram, its what the board set them at by default. Look at the link and see the ram he bought. its NOT value ram...
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Lets forget about what Nubius is saying and look at what you're saying.

All you've said is to tighten the timings because it will make games run better. But when overclocking, you set your timings loose and then tighten then.

Have you ever overclocked an AMD system dude?
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wanna bet on that one?you go ask ram companies why they would sell low latency ram and see a ton of amd user buy it if its no good, of course tighter is better!
Yeah I do want to bet on that....cas latency and cycle time offer NO noticeable difference in performance...of COURSE when it comes to world record overclocks you want the tightest you can get for bragging rights, the POINT BEING, that with cycle time and cas latency you will take more of a hit on stability than you will with bandwidth so it's pointless....I'm saying he should go to 3-3-3-8 and go further, and beyond, like I've said twice now "if it works, fine, but if it doesnt you'll know why"

It's not bottom of the barrel valueRAM but it's not 'super overclocking RAM' either...being that the SPD is showing 3-3-3-8 timings for 200MHz regardless of newegg saying '2.5-3-3-6 for AMDs'


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3-3-3-8 is NOT stock for that ram, its what the board set them at by default.
Then WHY oh WHY would it be in the SPD for the RAM huh? That basically tells the board what to run the RAM at...it's programmed into the RAM itself, that's what the SPD is there for.

Beyond that, as I've again already said, we aren't talking 'world record overclocks' and I'm not arguing that tighter timings aren't better...but this statement:

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if its stable at 2-3-3-6, leave it, it will be faster in games over 3-3-3-8
is complete nonsense, you'd NEVER tell the difference between those two in your entire life.....the ras to cas and ras precharge, YES effect bandwidth greatly, cas latency and cycle time = Stability with practically NO effect on bandwidth.

Instead of making this useless arguements of "Why do manufacturers sell low latency" ...WHY!? Because with the low latency such as 2-2-2-5 you're guaranteed samsung TCCD chips, or BH5's depending on what brand you get that are MADE to loosen up and overclock high with the exception of BH-5s primarily liking CL2 with voltage....

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Well if you read the newegg where he bought the ram it even said it could run those simular timings.
Newegg CONSTANTLY has bad information on their website...hell I had to e-mail them and tell them to add 'SS3 instructions' in the capabilities of the venice cores when they first came out...that's pretty stupid to rely on a middle man seller like that for information when the SPD tables will clearly show you otherwise
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Old 09-21-2005, 02:41 AM   #18 (permalink)
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dam guys look what i started.... well im running stable at 2-3-3-6

i guys me running at that started a big thing lol
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The guy that think's that the timings matter soo much must have read corsair's or w/e's guide to timings, where they demonstrate false insane peformance jumps over a slightly tighter timing.

Timings make a bit of a difference, but not a noticeable difference, 10$ says most people couldnt tell the difference between 2-2-2-5 and 3-6-6-22
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lol. wow i think people are getting angry over a couple of chips on a pcb
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