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Old 01-05-2007, 01:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ok so last night I think I might have discovered that my 4800+ has died. So I am probably going to be ordering a dual core fx60 from NewEgg and I really want to get over my fear of setting up liquid cooling and get rid of the stupid air cooling so that I can get great a great OC and a dependable system.

Here is my main question: I have never watercooled before, can a first-timer like myself do it and do it well so that I do not hurt any of my EXPENSIVE hardware and do it well enough that I can OC to my hearts content?

I would plan on using the water cooling for both my CPU and my GPU (which is an 8800GTX) and anything else that you all would recommend.

If you all think that I could gain enough insight from reading helpful topics like the one stickied in this section about water cooling to safely and efficiently cool my rig, then my next interest is in what water cooling part recommendations I should get.

As far as I can tell, water cooling is similar to everything else with computers in that you can get the best quality system for the cheapest price if you get all the parts yourself instead of getting a pre-assembled kit so that is what I am looking at.

Please offer suggestions for all the different parts you think would offer the BEST performance for me. I would want to make an impingment system because I have been led to believe that it will provide the best performance with a strong enough pump. So please recommend what parts you think are best (preferably with links) for an impingement system:

Pump (more than powerful enough to run it well, 2 perhaps?):
CPU block:
GPU block (any issues with my 8800GTX?):
Any other block for cooling any other part:
Radiator (preferably a pre-modified heater core from dangerden, etc.):
Tubing (preferably tygon or other high quality):
Coolant (distilled water?):
Coolant additive (Zerez/Valvoline Racing super coolant?):
Reservoir (oversized fitting?):
Fans (38mm for the heater core radiator?):
Clamps (worm drive?):
other accessories that I would need:
Flow order? (Pump>Radiator>CPU>GPU>Reservoir):

Keep the cost as low as possible with the ultimate goal of EXCELLENT performance. If the question is between a better part or a cheaper part please recommend the better part. Performance is the highest goal here.

I really know nothing about water cooling (reading stickied links as we speak) so I need as much information and recommendations as possible. I also don't know what this stuff costs but I would like to keep the price for this entire cooling setup under $500 if possible but performance is the most important thing. Thanks a ton for your help, I will try to update my sig with my current setup soon (it is out of date).
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Old 01-05-2007, 02:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Check out my post that is currently on the same page as this.

http://www.techist.com/showthread.ph...hreadid=136304


I put it up for people in the exact situation you are in, which I was in last week. I now have all my parts except the 8800 GPU blocks and mounting kit, which will come monday. I am no expert of course but I read TONS of info on watercooling and settled on the componants you see in my thread. All in all it cost me around 600 so a little more than what you wanted to spend buy you can make substitutions. I'll tell you now you won't find a lot of help on TF about watercooling. Just not many people talking about it on here. But read the sticky at the top, and go over to xtremesystems.org and read their forums. I bought from lots of different places and if you want to know specifics, just pm me. Good luck!!
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Im more than always glad to help, the above poster just didnt want to listen to anything i said unless i was able to prove it...

What kind of budget are you looking at. Figure, your looking at about a a 275 dollar minimum for a good kit.

I highly reccomend www.petrastechshop.com for anything w/c related

If you want to talk to a serious professional regarding parts his phone number is 1-408-944-0415

A few good parts i have no trouble reccomending, the Swiftech MCR-220 dual 120mm fan radiator, Laing D5 pump, and the Aquaxtreme Mp-1 cpu block.

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If i were you, I would not waste my money on an FX-60, It is an obsolete peice of hardware (last gen), and for the price of it, you could purchase a new mobo and memory that would match a core 2 duo.
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Thanx for the info!!

Ok so I am going to start a parts list, please everyone comment on what they think of my choices and suggest parts/give links for the areas that nothing is chosen for yet or where I list a few options.

Parts List

Pump:
Laing D5/Swiftech MCP655 Inline 12vDC Pump
$74.99
http://www.petrastechshop.com/swmcin12pu.html

CPU block:
AquaXtreme MP-1 Universal CPU Water Block - 1/2" $47.99
http://www.petrastechshop.com/aqmpuncpuwab.html

GPU block:
Swiftech MCW60 GPU Waterblock
$44.95
http://www.petrastechshop.com/swmcgpuwa1.html

with

MCW60 G80 adpater kit for nVidia GeForce 8000 series
$5.95
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/mcg80adkitfo.html

and

Swiftech MC14 BGA RAMsinks
$17.99
http://www.crazypc.com/products/5114.html

Radiator:
Swiftech MCR-220 "Quiet Power" Series Radiator
$44.99
http://www.petrastechshop.com/swmcqposerab.html

Reservoir:
Danger Den Bay Reservoir High-Density Polyethylene
$8.99
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/produc...1&cat=6&page=1

Clamps:
10x Stainless Steel Worm-Drive Hose Clamp
$1 each
http://www.petrastechshop.com/ststwohocl.html

Tubing:
1/2" ID (3/4" OD) Tygon R-3603 Laboratory-Grade Tubing (8 feet)
$26
http://www.petrastechshop.com/1id3odtyr.html

Coolant:
Distilled water and either Zerez or PT_Nuke

Fans:
4x 120mm Yate Loon D12SM-12 Case Fan - Black (70.5 CFM, 33 dBA)
$19.96
http://www.petrastechshop.com/12yalod1cafa1.html

Any other accessories that I would need?

Flow order? (Pump>Radiator>CPU>GPU>Reservoir)

Total price thus far: $300

Thoughts suggestions/modifications? Many thanks for the help!!

EDIT: Updated list
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Hey aspire, I have an idea, how about you not get mad if someone actually questions your OPINION. God forbid. I'm in pharmacy school, we are taught to always ask why something (drug/treatment), is better than something else (another drug/treatment). Its called EVIDENCE based medicine. Otherwise people like you could just say, "tylenol sucks, use advil", when in some situations tylenol is better. So stop hating....
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Hey man I would seriously reconsider that fx60. It is a older cpu and not really worth the money they ask for it. You could even buy a core 2 duo e6300 1.8ghz and overclock it to around 2.8 or so it would beat the fx60 in multi tasking and benchmarks.

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GOOD NEWS!!!

Turns out my CPU was acting like it was broken but after the removal of a hd that was acting up and formatting of my other one things are working correctly again.

Yes since I first posted I realized I probably wouldn't get the fx 60 even if my 4800+ was fried, i would probably switch and get an intel mobo, new ram, and go with the e6600

Luckily though none of that is necessary because my CPU seems to be workin ok.

So I am only looking at the watercooling setup
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