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Microsoft has insisted is Software Assurance (SA) maintenance program is ontrack despite reports its planning incentives for businesses hurt by delays to Windows Vista and Office 2007 and Gartner advising users to bluff Microsoft when renewing their contracts.

Sunny Charlebois, Microsoft senior product manager, said Wednesday Microsoft is planning incentives to drive uptake of Windows Vista and Office 2007 but claimed these are typical of the types of offer made by Microsoft when it introduces a new product.

"Windows Vista and Office are new products and we will have tons of incentives to drive adoption of the new products. Promotions are often part of incentive programs," Charlebois told The Register.

She was speaking following a report Microsoft is devising incentives targeting customers on its volume pricing programs that have failed to receive the upgrades to Windows and Office expected when they signed their agreements. The incentives are expected to rollout in the fall of 2006, ahead of Windows Vista and Office 2007.

Charlebois continued that 75 per cent of customers on its Enterprise Agreement (EA) volume licensing program are renewing SA - SA comes with EA. Separately, Gartner estimates 50 per cent of customers have SA on Office and the Windows client and between 65 per cent and 70 per cent have SA on Microsoft's sever products - a rate lower than similar programs offered by Microsoft's enterprise competitors.

Microsoft has a painful recent history in software licensing and maintenance agreements. SA's introduction incurred a huge backlash among customers alarmed by the fact their software costs were increasing while receiving little in return. Microsoft has since sought to sweeten the SA pill by adding all kinds of extras, such as training and home-use rights.

Microsoft last month gave customers on SA the right to run four copes of Windows on their virtual machine, to take advantage of server virtualization.

While Microsoft is playing up EA renewals, it's not breaking out what percentage are using EA versus its other volume licensing programs - Select and Open. And therein lies the rub, as Gartner is now advising customers to use Select and Open as gambits for reducing what they pay Microsoft in licensing fees.

Gartner has advised customers they can tell Microsoft that they can forego EA and manage licenses through Open or Select, using a license re-purchase strategy every four years. SA last two- to three-years and is designed to have a lower upfront price.

Such a tactic is not for the faint hearted, though. "If Microsoft knows that you have no intention of dropping your EA, or that your internal management and compliance processes are not robust enough to enable you to walk away, then significant leverage will be lost. Dropping EA coverage must be a credible alternative," Gartner said.

Charlebois is putting a brave corporate face on Gartner. "That's why we offer Select [and Open] as an option. Customers have the flexibility to choose... The main thing is making sure customers get value from the products and maintenance and services they purchase," she said.

She added no customers have so-far taken Gartner's advice. Apparently
 
Paul Thurrott is launching an interesting rumor today, this time about Windows Vista's release date. According to him, the RC1 version of Vista would be released in early september, as opposite to other rumors which said RC1 was around the corner and was due anytime soon. RC1 would be in this case, build 5520, which has been placed into escrow recently.

The most interesting rumor he reports is about Windows Vista RTM, which is set to be escrowed in september, setting at the same time an RTM release on October 25.

http://www.windowsitpro.com/Articles/ArticleID/93182/93182.html
 
Do we know what the new Hard Drive access process "NCQ" Native Command Queing is going to be like, is it actually going to make a difference. I know it is supposed to release with Vista but is there really any difference? I would like to know just for future builds as to whether I should include an NCQ Hard Drive!

Ruan
 
Microsoft-Watch reports that newer Windows Vista builds, 5506 and up, include references to Windows Live software by default in various locations throughout the OS. It is unknown yet if the concerned products are installed with Vista or if it only contains download links to it.

The Welcome Center in Vista is the place where most references are found. In build 5506, it contains icons for Windows Live Messenger, Windows Live OneCare, Windows Live Toolbar and Windows Live Desktop Mail. Additionnally, the Start Menu apparently contains a Windows Live Messenger icon.

Though this is only speculation, this may mean that Microsoft is finally removing Windows Messenger from its Windows products, using instead Windows Live Messenger.


http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,2180,2004347,00.asp
 
The Inquirer's recent examination of the 'undelete' technology in Windows Vista has become more important since Apple formally announced 'Time Machine' in Leopard, the next iteration of OSX.

Unfortunately Apple's Time Machine requires a separate disk, dedicated to the backing-up of data on your primary drive. Useful in the case of a hard-disk failure, but not exactly the cheapest option. It also seems to have an esoteric GUI, which may or may not work well in real-word usage.

Windows Vista's alternative backup application is very similar, albeit without the over-the-top interface, and also comes with a Shadow Copy feature that's integrated into the normal file/folder menus, and has some interesting attributes of its own.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33692
 
Window Vista Beta 2 Tested

We recently gave windows vista beta 2 with the latest updates a test on one of our new computer systems. Here is what we experienced...

Good:
1. Great graphics and effects
2. Internet Explorer 7
3. Increased security features
4. Ability to add memory to your system via thumb drive
5. Easier and more powerfull for the average user

Bad:
1. Takes a long time to install
2. Some windows xp programs are incompatiable
3. Slower than windows xp
4. Vista requires alot of hard drive space and memory
5. Cannot install on a machine more than 2-3 years old

Conclusion:
Windows Vista is not nearly ready for release, they need to work on vista being backwards compatiable with previous software titles. They also should create a minimum and maximum feature for installation. In short Windows Vista is not nearly ready for release!
 
Re: Window Vista Beta 2 Tested

MDofPC said:
We recently gave windows vista beta 2 with the latest updates a test on one of our new computer systems. Here is what we experienced...

Good:
1. Great graphics and effects
2. Internet Explorer 7
3. Increased security features
4. Ability to add memory to your system via thumb drive
5. Easier and more powerfull for the average user

Bad:
1. Takes a long time to install
2. Some windows xp programs are incompatiable
3. Slower than windows xp
4. Vista requires alot of hard drive space and memory
5. Cannot install on a machine more than 2-3 years old

Conclusion:
Windows Vista is not nearly ready for release, they need to work on vista being backwards compatiable with previous software titles. They also should create a minimum and maximum feature for installation. In short Windows Vista is not nearly ready for release!

This is all stuff we knew already. No offense. But even the Official testers that have been using it since it was Codename Longhorn have even said that Vista is no where near ready for the RC state let alone Release.

M$ has a nice challenge ahead trying to get Vista ready before their deadline hits in January.
 
Vista joins MS patch treadmill

Microsoft has released a couple of patches for Windows Vista after realising that the pre-release OS is vulnerable to some of the security bugs addressed in its last (mammoth) Patch Tuesday update cycle.

Of the seven critical Windows updates released in August, two (MS06-042 and MS06-051) also affect Windows Vista Beta 2 or later, prompting the release of additional patches.

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The most threatening of the Windows flaws addressed on 8 August (MS06-040) - the subject of active malware exploitation over recent days - leaves Vista untouched.

The two necessary fixes for Vista have been released through Windows Update. Microsoft may issue additional patches for Vista, in response to future security threats, but there'll be a hiatus in patches between the end of the beta testing period and the final shipment of the OS, due early next year.

"Windows Vista is the first major Microsoft product release that will be serviced with security updates throughout the beta process. We are committed to release Windows Vista updates for all MSRC critical class issues that may arise during the beta testing period. We strive to release any Windows Vista updates as soon as possible, but our priority will be to release the updates for Windows products that have been released to manufacturing," explained Alex Heaton of the Windows Vista Security team in a blog posting.

In other Patch Tuesday-related news, Microsoft said it would release an Internet Explorer patch (MS06-042) next week after reported problems with the update for some IE users. Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack One systems were the focus of this glitch and the target of the forthcoming update, which leaves Vista Beta users in the clear...at least for now.

http://www.theregister.com/2006/08/18/vista_security_update/
 
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