Cindy said:
But your statement regarding the intelligence level of those who went to college vs those who did not tells me that you are very young and very, very naive.
I have my Bachelors, I have my masters (well waiting for the degree, submitted my thesis couple weeks back), and I have 3 years of professional programming/software development experience. I am 24 years old btw. Naive you say? Do elaborate.
You seem to have some difficulty carrying out a proper debate. No where in my original message did I question your intelligence or your maturity. I addressed your (and others) arguments on their own merit. The mere fact that you are speaking of my "maturity" and "naivety" without just cause, speaks volumes about your own character.
Address the points on their own merit. All you are doing is repeating what you've said before without addressing what I've said subsequently.
Cindy said:
There are tons of very smart people who did not go to college. Some of them lack drive, which is not at all the same as intelligence.
As I've already said before, there are SOME very intelligent people who has never gone to college. I am speaking of North America only btw. The economics of other countries (e.g. south asia) are vastly different. But not "Tons". Give some examples and what they've done, if you can.
YOu speak of drive. Well, even people who go to university suffer from that. You think all the people in university are there b/c they have drive?
I lost drive for a couple of years myself. Yet my average still stayed above 70%. When I got my drive back, I went back into the 90%. I've had enough friends who just lost their drive and got bored after a couple years of university as well. Still they graduated. Lack of drive is not an excuse. Even without drive, a smart person can be in university and graduate successfully.
A less intelligent person, without drive, won't survive - or get into university in the first place. And some people who have drive early on will work like dogs, and will never get anywhere in life. They will realize this early on and will simply give up.
And for the record, I didn't go to a crap university. University of Waterloo is the best in Canada and one of the best in North America in computer engineering, computer science, and math.
Cindy said:
And tons of really stupid people were able to get degrees.
Government agencies, for example, are full of employees who are college-educated near-morons.
That may be. But, they are still more capable than many people who don't have their degrees. High school IMO is the great equalizer in a sense. Every person is on the same playing field. The bottom line is that the most people that go to university have better marks in high school than the others.
Cindy said:
Also, at least in the US, it is the single mothers who can go to college - free.
So lets strike them from the "they have a reason not to go to college" list as well.
The bottom line is I paid for myself through university. Ungrad and grad. Same goes for my friends as well. I just don't see the big deal. The government and banks can help you with loans, that you will pay back when you graduate.